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« on: April 23, 2009, 11:54:23 AM » |
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Small phailonion be used by old ritualists as vestment of readers:  In mainstream russian church,it's a tool only used temporarily in the cherothesia of reader:  In greek church,it's unknown.(see: http://www.orthodox.or.kr/korean/Great%20Lent%202nd%20Sunday.m4v ) My question is: why mainstream russian church stopped to use it as a standard vestment ? And why greeks even do not know it? They abandoned it in the history or such stuff never existed in byzantine church? |
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 05:59:47 PM » |
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I was aware that it is used in cherotesia to the reader. Only once put on the candidate, not more times.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 02:18:35 PM » |
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Being a tonsured reader, I can tell you that during the ceremony for tonsuring is the only time I've seen it used. Since becoming a reader is the first step into the minor orders of the clergy, it's only fitting that the candidate wears a clerical vestment to symbolize it. From the time you become even a reader, you are to give yourself up in service to the church. Therefore you wear the short phelonion, which is symbolic of the robe that Christ wore during His passion.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 03:10:57 PM » |
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Being a tonsured reader, I can tell you that during the ceremony for tonsuring is the only time I've seen it used. Since becoming a reader is the first step into the minor orders of the clergy, it's only fitting that the candidate wears a clerical vestment to symbolize it. From the time you become even a reader, you are to give yourself up in service to the church. Therefore you wear the short phelonion, which is symbolic of the robe that Christ wore during His passion.
Then why the old ritualists servers(taper-bearers) wear it even after the cherothesia,and greeks never use it in any case? |
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 03:24:47 PM » |
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I've never seen it used in any parish, theological school, monastery, etc. that I've been to.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 08:46:51 PM » |
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I only saw used at St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological School.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 08:53:22 PM » |
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I only saw used at St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological School.
In what capacity.. just during tonsure or at other times? |
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 09:36:57 PM » |
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I only saw used at St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological School. We were only there for a Vespers service, but didn't see it. Do they just use it for tonsure/ordination days, or Liturgies, etc? |
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 09:50:09 PM » |
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I only saw used at St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological School.
In what capacity.. just during tonsure or at other times? It was only use right after the tonsure until they read from their passage in the epistle book and then it was taken off and sticharion was put on. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009, 10:03:03 PM » |
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I only saw used at St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological School.
In what capacity.. just during tonsure or at other times? It was only use right after the tonsure until they read from their passage in the epistle book and then it was taken off and sticharion was put on. That is the only way I've ever seen it used. |
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