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« on: April 22, 2009, 01:20:19 PM » |
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I was reading Irish Hermit's remark on another thread (Paganism within Orthodoxy) about wine being poured on the grave at a Serbian Memorial service. This was something new for me, and can someone explain to me why this is done?
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 01:46:19 PM » |
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The practise of pouring red wine over the grave is extreme ancient .Yes,it's pre-christian,and is still an important part of sinic confucian rite(澆奠、奠酒、獻爵禮）,but at least in the christian east such doing is well accepted.
Till today,as far as I know,in Makedonia,Thrake,Skopia,many place of Serbia and Bulgaria,when priest read trisagion over the grave,people offer red wine ,and then priest pour it over the tomb in cross-form.
Other liturgical relic of this practise(pour wine over the tomb of Holy Martyrs)is kept in the service of consecration of an Agia Trapeza.The archiereys pours wine over it since it's tomb of martyr(s).
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 01:48:38 PM » |
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There is relation with the consecration of a church in which the altar is washed with red wine.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 02:04:26 PM » |
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I was reading Irish Hermit's remark on another thread (Paganism within Orthodoxy) about wine being poured on the grave at a Serbian Memorial service. This was something new for me, and can someone explain to me why this is done?
At the Funeral of my Parents open casket in church..in part of the service, the body ia also blessed with wine instead of holy water,once the face is covered with a napkin...thats what happened to both parents... Its from the Scripture when it taiks about vinyard..Or when the bishop blesses the people with the 3 and two candles And says like what my signature say.. Fr. can elaborate more on it..Its not Pagan though.... |
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 10:06:23 PM » |
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Cognac or brandy are also an acceptable source for this practice as well.   |
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 10:18:10 PM » |
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Cognac or brandy are also an acceptable source for this practice as well. I never knew that...I Know they serve it after the service also slivovica...I'm curious is the wine kosher ,Manishevitz or Mogen David.... |
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 11:04:21 PM » |
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The wine needs to be kosher, yet?? lol. I can humour this custom myself, but I can see it raising eyebrows amongst others...
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 11:13:51 PM » |
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The wine needs to be kosher, yet?? lol. I can humour this custom myself, but I can see it raising eyebrows amongst others...
I truly believe that it is kosher wine that is used by serbian clergy....of the two mentioned or both for funerals and memorial services only.. For Holy Communion im sure it has to be sulfite free pure wine only.... |
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 06:21:09 AM » |
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Cognac or brandy are also an acceptable source for this practice as well. I never knew that...I Know they serve it after the service also slivovica...I'm curious is the wine kosher ,Manishevitz or Mogen David.... Those are honest to god the only 2 kinds of wine i've ever seen used for this. Like I said, i've also seen Cognac and Brandy used as well. Slivovitz was always around, but I never remember people really using it. |
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