You forget, as someone posted a while ago, Met. Jonah was given words of encouragement from the big enchilada himself, Pat. Kyrill.
His Holiness Patriarch Kirill refers to the "demons of feeble impertinence" - taken to be an understated and oblique reference to the speech at Holy Cross of the Chief Secretary of the Sacred Synod.
I didn't forget anything. I just hadn't read it. Also, my first question is "who is taking it to be an understated and oblique reference to the speech"? Are you making that inference? Is Fr. Ambrose? I'd be interested in knowing how we can infer such things without speaking to the Patriarch (Kyril) directly.
Father has already answered this. I'll just add that I have had it interpreted to me the same way from other sources.
They could say these things and very easily b/c now he has put them in a corner. It's us vs. them. Not what I would say is a good move by an "orthodox" hierarch. He himself made excuses for himself, saying that he had never been in this position before. Then how can you sit up there and pontificate.Because someone else thinks he is supreme pontiff, and it's not the hierarch in Old Rome (we know him). As Met. Jonah said, if we wanted Ultramontanism, we should take it straight (paraphrased).
Care to substantiate that? When has Patriarch Bartholomew said that he is the supreme pontif?
Look at the statements above by his Chief Secretary, repeating the references to "protos," "famous 28th canon," and "First Throne" that we are all familiar with.
He said that we don't have a pope and we don't need a pope under islamic rule...well...how about one from american liberalist democracy?
Oh, please. Been to Athens lately? The GOA owes its existence to Bp. Arbp. EP Pope Meletius acting as chaplain for "liberal democracy."
I've actually lived in athens. How much time have you spent there?
About a couple weeks, I usually get out as soon as possible. Just so much pornography, socialists, secular progressives and neo-paganism I can take. I prefer Thessalonika.
I wouldn't call him a pope unless that was his actual title. Otherwise that's just plain old slander.
Walks like a duck.....
Likes Pope St. Gregory's uproar over the title "Ecumenical Patriarch." Btw, EP Bartheomew has stated several times with the battle with the Turks that the title EP is of ecclesiastical/religious origin. It's not. Ecumenical was the Emperor's term for "imperial."
And in terms of him being a chaplain of liberal democracy...well if you don't like it when he did it (which i'm not saying is true,
It is quite true: Bishop Meletios had been expelled from the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and became Archbishop of Athens to support his uncle, Venizelos and his agenda. When Venizelos was expelled from Greece, Arch Meletios fled to the U.S., where he continued the support for Venizelos:
Let us tell you a little bit about the history of the Annunciation Cathedral community. St. Sophia, precursor to the Annunciation Cathedral, came into being June 1921, when the parishioners of the Holy Trinity Church, sympathetic to Greek Prime Minister Eleftherios Venizelos, established a second Greek Orthodox community in San Francisco. Land was acquired at Hayes and Pierce streets, all of the lots facing Pierce street from Hayes to Fell streets, for the purpose of building a Cathedral and an adjoining school and orphanage. Ground was broken June 1921, with a ceremony where His Eminence Metropolitan Meletios Metaxakis, Archbishop of Athens, laid the cornerstone of the cathedral. http://www.annunciation.org/history.html
At that time, SF had a cathedral founded over six decades earlier, which had served as the Primate's See for North America for three decades.
but for the sake of the argument), then you'll hate it when Met. Jonah does it. Doesn't seem like that's happening...
The main thrust of the Metropolitan's speech stems from the canonical order the Russians established in North America, and its progress. And that it was NOT founded in "diaspora," did NOT develop in "diaspora," and was groomed for autocephaly NOT in "diaspora."
Anyway...maybe it's not the right time for this.
That's like saying it's not the time to have a kid when he is already born.
Did he think of that? Did he just go out there and do what he wanted?
He was attacted by name and quote in the context of a speech that referenced the EP's convening of that great council, which the EP seems to expect to act as his rubber stamp, to decided the fate of the "Diaspora." Spin of such speech tried to make the exclusion of the OCA, whose canonical territory in on the chopping block, as a "concession" by the EP.
A lot of questions my friend...a lot of questions.
All answered: the Orthodox Church in America is a FACT.
And the orthodox church in america can do nothing by itself, as is proven by this rash and brazen speech which burns bridges with those who brought orthodoxy to america in the first place.
To quote his beatitude, "excuse me?"
Met. Jonah stands in the direct line of those who brought Orthodoxy to America as their successor. Not EP Bartholomew.
If this is what the Orthodox Church in America wants as its MO
You mean canonical Orthodoxy in North America? You bet.
...I certianly hope all the other churches break communion.
As Met. Jonah pointed out, only "only the Greek ethnic Churches and few others recognize the Ecumenical Patriarchate['s....] claims."
That would be unfortunate. The EP tried that when Autocephaly was given. Arb. Iakovos of blessed memory refused to enforce it. As we all know, the EP made sure that wouldn't be repeated.
What do you think this will accomplish?
I don't know. You are the one suggesting it.
Wasn't Met. Jonah going to be the great healer? This is not healing, this is pouring salt on the wound.
No, it is balm for the bites of the Chief Secretary.