Pravoslav09, At least you used color to highlight what I said.
Yes I did, I'm learning how to post in here. I wish I could put your comments in those nice squares, but I can't. For replying I use the quote button, because it doesn't have a reply one, however, this makes a mess with the spaces and squares. It's frustrating.The bottom line is the Orthodox Church has prevailed even after man has spent 2,000 years trying to destroy it. The Orthodox Church will prevail regardless of what political structures come and go. Christ told Pilate, My Kingdom is not of this World. If we sit here and argue about Greek and Russian politics, who is losing?
We are, and this is precisely one of the tactics the enemy of salvation uses to embark us in useless prattling. The Council of Bishops of my Church is very careful, that is why it doesn't make any comment on politics, and only comments on other religious groups, to dissipate doubts, and protect us from temptations.
For instance, there are some groups of Russian True Orthodox Church, who are preaching a softened version of ecumenism. They are very critical towards ecumenism, and other liberal practices of the Patriarchates of Moscow and Constantinople, and at the same time, they consider it to be the Mother Church, and state they can not, in any wise break communion completely with it, nor condemn it.
Seeing many tempted and deceived by that specific Russian True Orthodox Church, the Synod of Bishops of our Church was forced to speak about the origins and doctrines of that group, and warn us that the above mentioned group had unorthodox teachings, and how this group falls under several anathemas. The State of Greece which couldn't agree on its own leaders and submitted themselves to King Otto I, a Danish noble.
The Greek Kings, despite their foreign lineage, were defenders and supporters of the Greek Orthodox Church. Tsar Martyr Nicholas II had also danish blood, he was not ethnically Russian.That State was neither abolished nor betrayed but grew up too fast for its own good as the Ottoman Empire disintegrated. Besides, the democratic State of Greece was established in 1975, not in the 1920's although the airport in Athens is named after Venizelos because he had the vision of modern Greece.
Venizelos was an official of the Royal Army, and he plotted against the Greek King, who supported the Greek Orthodox Church, and the re emerging of the greek culture and traditions, and finaly conducted a violent Coup D'etat, betraying thus, and destroying the Greek Orthodox Kingdom.
Democracy is a term used to label the liberal revolutionary states, even though some, are actually dictatorships in disguise. According to the constitution of the USSR, people had the right to vote, and decide if they wanted the government to continue, or to have a change of government.
In their beginnings, Venizelo's Greece, and the Soviet Union were open dictatorships, and cynically used force to remove everything from the past, and create a new people, maleable to the state, unable to vindicate their right to be independent individuals. Once the new people was created, the dictatorships did not need the use of that form of violence, and transformed themselves into modern democratic governments.Others have asked about your Hierarchs and you have responded with silence.
Sadly I fell into Moderator Peter's provocations, and broke my silence.I will not press this issue with you;
Thank you, I appreciate your kindness and politeness.However, the "catacomb" Hierarch who reposed in 1976 could trace his Apostolic Succession while the Priests have no Hierarch to call their own.
This is not quite true, there are catacomb Hiearchs both in Russia, and in other countries, that can clearly trace their Apostolic Succession from Patriarch Tikhon's Moscow Patriarchate.
Metropolitan Filaret, of the ROCOR, gave reports about our Church, and many of his fellow bishops, and other persons laughed at him, they didn't believe him, they believed information like the one posted here, and in other places, where it was said out last Bishop died, and we no longer exist.
Professor Andreyev, catacomb christian and a teacher in the ROCOR seminary that existed in Jordanvilled, used to talk about the time when he met some Catacomb Faithful, in San Francisco, California, USA. He was surprised to know they had hiearchy, and attended services, but did not join the ROCOR. This troubled Professor Andreyev greatly, and he asked the faithful to ask their bishop if his decition to join ROCOR was correct.
Professor Andreyev received a letter of the Catacomb Bishop, in which he explained that it was right to be in ROCOR, and explained to him it was important to make use of the experience of the Catacomb Church in the Motherland, and to conduct Church Life as it is done in Russia by them, because what happened there, could easily happen in the "free" world, and that is the sole reason why they did not join ROCOR.
The words of this Catacomb Bishop prove to be useful and prophetic. We see how ROCOR began to be attacked from all sides,and from the inside, and how much harm was done. A good example is the formation of the OCA, one of the most pernicious and destructive illegal breakaway factions of ROCOR. Could you provide primary proof that Venizelos and the Greek Government appointed Archbishop Meletios? The research can't be that difficult.
Help me out on this one. *playful kidding*The "Old Europe" doesn't want Turkey as a full EU member. The US, well, that is political.
The Old Europe doesn't want Spain as a full EU member, it was always considered that Europe starts after the pyrinees. However for geopolitical reasons, Spain was like the nasty foreign "mother in law" Europe needed to include as a bastion. A similar thing is happening with Turkey, EU needs it as a bastion to keep asians and north africans in order. Yes asians, arabs are asians. I agree with you; However, one needs a Hierarch with unbroken succession back to the Apostles themselves.
I agree with you totally. Unbroken succesion back to the apostles is determined by those who faithfully preach the Gospel.
Those who separated themselves from the Church and all those coming from them (catholics, anglicans, armenian orthodox, Moscow Patriarchate, coptics....) continue to preach a different gospel, and do not have apposlotic succession, and all their acts, including orders, remain invalid and void. Not in vain the Church declared anathema on them.
They preserve the external forms, to a lesser or greater degree, but they do not have true apostolic succession. I like Andreas Papandreou (May His Memory be Eternal); Greece came a long way under him to the point that I'd rather stay here than go over there.
You!!!!!!! hehehhehehIf Jesus Christ said love your enemies and even if you feel the Pope is Public Enemy #1, does He deserve to be treated as a neighbor for all of us will be judged by how we treated our enemies and neighbors? No Pope had visited what is now Greece for over 1,000 years. You don't have to agree with the Pope nor how the Greek Government chose to acknowledge His brief visit; But displaying love is better than throwing rocks and Molotov Cocktails at Him.
Yes, you are right, however, it is an act of hatred from the State Church of Greece, to accept the Pope and his Church, instead of calling them to repentance. It is also an act of denial of Christ, to accept him to defile the Holy Temples, and concelebrate as "equal".
Whatever politicians do, it's in their conscience, but whatever a religious organization does using the name of the Church, and God in vain, must be exposed and rejected by every true christian and by the Church, otherwise we partake of all that betrayal and denial of Christ. By silence, God is betrayed.
Of course! we are not going to even try to stop the great apostasy with our weak hand, as Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov said, but we, as True Orthodox Christians are called to hold fast to what we have, to be firm in Christ, to cling to Him Jesus Christ Victory! and in Him, His victory is already ours.