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Bishop at a DL
« on: March 24, 2009, 01:28:02 AM »
Our Bishop will be at our 5am Paschal service this year. Can anyone tell me what to expect?
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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 01:43:32 AM »
Our Bishop will be at our 5am Paschal service this year. Can anyone tell me what to expect?

To be in church a lot longer.  :D

If you're participating from the pews (pews...is outrage!), not too much is different.  The Bishop comes out a few times to bless with his special candles, commemorations are slightly different and that is about it.  If you're serving in the altar the only thing different is that whatever you do, it is wrong. 

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 01:45:36 AM »
Normally this service includes a processional around the church and a lot of readings. It is a very long service as it is! There are about 2 pews in the very back of the parish (which i will need since I will be about 7 months pregnant with a sleeping 2 year old and 3 year old alone at the services)

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 03:27:27 AM »
After the procession the choir will wish 'Many years' to everyone you could imagine. You may also expect a bunch of speeches: Bishop's to the parish Priest, Bishop's to the parishioners, parish Priest's to bishops... There may be some awards granted.

This is how it goes in Poland. I have no idea is it the same in SRAOANA.

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 09:42:00 AM »
If you're serving in the altar the only thing different is that whatever you do, it is wrong. 
I still have nightmares from our bishop's visitation to our church, and now my priest have tricked me to come along with him to another church where the bishop is visiting. Not only that but the location of the church is a place known for hostility towards Swedish speaking people (like me) so It's not just the bishop I'm nervous about.

To answer Quinault's question: In my experience the whole liturgy is very different when the bishop is present. The songs and the prayers might be the same but there is a lot more... theater or show (not sure how to express myself in English).

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 10:01:57 AM »
If you ask for his blessing, instead of saying "Father, bless," it will be, "Master, bless."  :)  I try not to be the first one in line so I can sort of listen in on what the appropriate responses will be. 

(As an obligatory horror story, the first time I was at a liturgy when Bishop Job came, I was wearing a new skirt and had gone throughout the whole church and walked in front of several people before I realized that my skirt had come apart at the seam right on my rear end.  :-[  Now I make sure I inspect my clothes before I go to chuch, especially if the Bishop is in town!
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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 12:11:28 PM »
Our Bishop will be at our 5am Paschal service this year. Can anyone tell me what to expect?

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 12:43:05 PM »
Our Bishop will be at our 5am Paschal service this year. Can anyone tell me what to expect?

Snowflakes.  No two are exactly the same. 

You've never been known for your brevity - but you've drawn a wonderful picture!

As a note to others - from a theoretical standpoint, the Divine Liturgy is only 100% complete in form when the Bishop is present (so, technically what we do most Sundays without him is a bit abbreviated).

So what's "added" (more like "not truncated this time") to the Divine Liturgy typically when a hierarch serves?

- Any commemorations of the Bishop (by name) will include a chanting of "Many years, Master."
- The Small Entrance will include a blessing by the Bishop, followed by his censing of the Church during the hymns following.
- The Trisagion Hymn will be sung 5 times instead of 3: 2 by choirs, 1 by clergy, 1 by choir, 1 by clergy.
- After "Glory... Both now... Holy Immortal...", the Trisagion hymn will be repeated split into 4 parts, with the Bishop blessing at each of the 3 breaking points (3 breaks = 4 parts) with the verse "Lord, Lord, look down from heaven and behold and visit this vineyard..." which will be followed by the "Dynamis"
- After the "Dynamis" will come the chanting of the hymn "Lord, save the faithful" (2 or 3 times) and "And hearken unto us" (1 time)
- After this, the commemoration of the hierarchs: first, the president of the Synod that your hierarch sits on (or, if he is the head of an Autocephalous Church, he will commemorate the heads of the Autocephalous Churches); then the hierarch that is serving.
- At the Great Entrance, the Hierarch will remain at the Beautiful Doors while the clergy bring to him the paten and chalice; at the reception of each, he will commemorate names of the living and dead, including the president of his synod (or the heads of the autocephalous churches, depending on what he did earlier) and the clergy serving.

- For observation: at the reading of the Creed, instead of waving the Aer over the chalice in front of his face (as a Priest would do), the clergy will hold the Aer over the Bishop's head, which will be held in between the Aer and the chalice & paten.

- After the consecration and Megalynarion, at the commemoration of the hierarch, he will commemorate whomever he did at the Entrance, and then the rest of the clergy will commemorate him.

- At the end of the Liturgy, he will come out to say the dismissal prayer, flanked by the clergy present.
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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 01:51:55 PM »
Cleveland, your post is so interesting and helpful! The last time I was at a hierarchical service was when Bishop Hilarion of Austria and Vienna was with us. I was able to stand almost right beside him as he was being vested, and, suddenly everything made sense to me, and it was very moving and beautiful to observe. These are precious moments, when it seems so right and profound to be Orthodox.
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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 03:21:41 PM »
Cleveland, your post is so interesting and helpful! The last time I was at a hierarchical service was when Bishop Hilarion of Austria and Vienna was with us. I was able to stand almost right beside him as he was being vested, and, suddenly everything made sense to me, and it was very moving and beautiful to observe. These are precious moments, when it seems so right and profound to be Orthodox.

Thank you, Rosehip, for reminding me of the words of Saint Ignatius "Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the multitude of the people be; just as where Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church".

Maybe I can now be more appreciative of experiencing the fullness of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (while the bishop's secretary gives me angry looks when I forget to kiss the bishops hand when handing him some ecclesiastical bling bling  ::))

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2009, 05:05:15 PM »
Our Bishop is most likely coming for our parish patron's upcoming feast day (+St. Mary of Egypt+), and it will also be my first time meeting a bishop.  But then again, I'm only a catechumen, so I can't possibly mess any thing up, because I'm still in training!  Anyway, I'm looking forward to the whole thing.

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 06:07:02 PM »
My observation, after all my times serving with bishops, is that people get too nervous about it.  Relax - it's Liturgy.  Yes, we've re-introduced many missing elements when he comes; yes, some people are very uptight about kissing his hand and addressing him properly.  Don't let that mess with your head.

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 06:13:14 PM »
Very good advice! For what it's worth, I've never been afraid of the Bishops (and I am a very easily intimidated person). I remember meeting Vladyka Laurus of blessed memory for the first time. He was so unassuming, gentle, and kind. I was amazed at how everyone would run up to the Bishop to receive his blessing-and soon I too, developed this practice. Of course, our altar servers always look extremely stressed after hierarchical services, which makes me very happy to be a woman!
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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 08:24:14 PM »
(If you're not afraid about approaching the Chalice containing the Body and Blood of our Lord, then why be afraid of the Bishop?)

Because the Chalice tends to not yell at me in Greek over minutia ;) 

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 10:04:12 PM »
I am a little concerned because my kids and I are very "ethnic" in a way he has likely NEVER encountered before.

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2009, 10:58:55 PM »
I am a little concerned because my kids and I are very "ethnic" in a way he has likely NEVER encountered before.

 ??? Huh?  ???

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2009, 11:15:56 PM »
Native names for my kids and the large metal ring in my nose. I would say a great deal of people think that you should have your saint name as you name at church. But there are no saint Oheo, Witalu or Ollokot's.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2009, 11:22:44 PM »
But I thought I remember reading somewhere, Quin, that your children also have "Orthodox" names. There are many people I know who go by their former names and just use their saint's names when they come before the chalice etc. Forgive me if I am not understanding something.
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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2009, 11:24:22 PM »
Native names for my kids and the large metal ring in my nose. I would say a great deal of people think that you should have your saint name as you name at church. But there are no saint Oheo, Witalu or Ollokot's.

Considering recent events in the AOA, if that is the biggest "issue" he has to deal with I think he'll be quite relieved.  If he has a problem, tell him to.... (on second thought, I want to keep my green dot from turning yellow, but you get the picture).  

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2009, 11:25:30 PM »
Native names for my kids and the large metal ring in my nose. I would say a great deal of people think that you should have your saint name as you name at church. But there are no saint Oheo, Witalu or Ollokot's.

I thought you were referring to ethnic Orthodox behavior other than being Native American.  Forgive me.   :angel:

I feel the Bishop saying, "The servant of god {Oheo, Witalu, Ollokot}" will not be an issue.   :)

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Re: Bishop at a DL
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2009, 11:27:09 PM »
But there are no saint Oheo, Witalu or Ollokot's.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2009, 12:33:44 AM »
But I thought I remember reading somewhere, Quin, that your children also have "Orthodox" names. There are many people I know who go by their former names and just use their saint's names when they come before the chalice etc. Forgive me if I am not understanding something.

Yes, we all have saint names as well. But other than at the chalice, we don't use them.