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« on: February 28, 2009, 09:48:13 PM »
1. Why don't we commemorate "St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople" during the dismissal of the Liturgy that is ascribed to him?

2. How is it that "Glory to the Father...Lord Have Mercy (3)...Holy Father Bless" is not conducted after "Glory to thee O Christ our God..." (before the Dismissal), but is chanted before the Prayer Behind the Amvon?

My sense is that these are American, Greek style practices.  Any idea why these practices exist and why it continues to exist?
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »
(1) Some priests do, and in many Greek texts it is called for.  Others do not, and it is not included in the Maroon HC-Edition of the Liturgy book.

(2) IIRC, the prayer behind the Amvon is the older blessing/dismissal of the Liturgy, with the formal blessing/dismissal that follows being a later addition (semi-standardized, as one can see with comparison to other services).

In some places, these are done; in others, one but not the other; in others, neither.  I don't think they're "American" per se, though.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2009, 12:14:59 AM »
In my Antiochian parish, we always commemorate the saint whose Liturgy was celebrated during the dismissal and we always chant "glory to the father...Lord have mercy...Father, bless" after the priest says "Glory to Thee O Christ and our God, glory to Thee."  I've pretty much heard it the same way in many other Antiochian parishes.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2009, 04:52:52 AM »
Quote from: Basil 320 on February 28, 2009, 09:48:13 PM
1. Why don't we commemorate "St. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople" during the dismissal of the Liturgy that is ascribed to him?

The only time I have not heard St John Chrysostom commemorated at the dismissal is when "his" liturgy is not the one which has just been served. The omission of this commemoration is not a "standard" variation of practice according to my many years' experience of Greek and Slavic churches.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 05:23:52 AM »
As you note for Greek and Slavic parishes, ACROD always commemorates St. John Chyrsostom (unless Liturgy of St. Basil).
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2009, 12:16:32 PM »
Quote from: Basil 320 on February 28, 2009, 09:48:13 PM
2. How is it that "Glory to the Father...Lord Have Mercy (3)...Holy Father Bless" is not conducted after "Glory to thee O Christ our God..." (before the Dismissal), but is chanted before the Prayer Behind the Amvon?

In my church it is done after both.
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 03:23:20 PM »
Quote from: cleveland on February 28, 2009, 10:29:36 PM

(2) IIRC,

I see this IIRC referenced a lot on this board.  What is IIRC?
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 03:44:09 PM »
IIRC means "if I remember (or recall) correctly."  I had to ask on another forum--all these acronyms are so confusing if you don't know what they mean!  I can type out the words faster than I can try to figure out what the abbreviation would be--HAHAHA!!!
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