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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2115 on: June 16, 2018, 09:18:00 AM »
lOOK AT ALL THESE ICONS I would even say some are heretical!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2116 on: June 16, 2018, 01:40:07 PM »
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2117 on: June 16, 2018, 02:19:24 PM »


This ones really odd and I have absolutely no idea what it's trying to depict.  All I know is it is an old believer created icon.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2118 on: June 16, 2018, 03:26:07 PM »


This ones really odd and I have absolutely no idea what it's trying to depict.  All I know is it is an old believer created icon.

I like it.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2119 on: June 16, 2018, 03:27:07 PM »


This ones really odd and I have absolutely no idea what it's trying to depict.  All I know is it is an old believer created icon.

link to description:
https://russianicons.wordpress.com/2015/04/06/putting-out-the-fire-the-pure-soul-icon-type/
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2120 on: June 16, 2018, 03:27:29 PM »
I wonder whose face the woman is standing on.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2121 on: June 16, 2018, 03:30:00 PM »
I wonder whose face the woman is standing on.

have a read of the link I provided it explains everything!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2122 on: June 16, 2018, 04:10:45 PM »
Looks like the moon, but I haven't clicked the link.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2123 on: June 16, 2018, 04:15:51 PM »
Looks like the moon, but I haven't clicked the link.

click the link
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2124 on: June 16, 2018, 05:02:28 PM »
Wow, I won a cookie.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2125 on: June 16, 2018, 05:21:14 PM »
"Two Romes fell, a third stands, and there will not be a fourth one."-Philotheus of Pskov

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2126 on: June 16, 2018, 05:30:22 PM »
I wonder whose face the woman is standing on.

have a read of the link I provided it explains everything!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2127 on: June 16, 2018, 05:48:20 PM »
I wonder whose face the woman is standing on.

have a read of the link I provided it explains everything!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2128 on: June 16, 2018, 06:37:36 PM »
I find it interesting that the dragon in this one kind of looks like Anubis. I wonder if that was meant to convey anything in particular here. I don't see that in other examples of this icon.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2129 on: June 16, 2018, 07:20:40 PM »
I find it interesting that the dragon in this one kind of looks like Anubis. I wonder if that was meant to convey anything in particular here. I don't see that in other examples of this icon.
Maybe this was made before the prohibition of Cynocephalic icons? it certainly looks like it could be from the 16th century.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2130 on: June 16, 2018, 08:24:25 PM »
I find it interesting that the dragon in this one kind of looks like Anubis. I wonder if that was meant to convey anything in particular here. I don't see that in other examples of this icon.
Maybe this was made before the prohibition of Cynocephalic icons? it certainly looks like it could be from the 16th century.

It's possibly later than that because from what I've seen, icons of St. Christopher and others as Cynocephalus are quite common among old believer icons probably due to a reaction to the banning of it among the synodal church.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2131 on: June 16, 2018, 10:36:03 PM »
I find it interesting that the dragon in this one kind of looks like Anubis. I wonder if that was meant to convey anything in particular here. I don't see that in other examples of this icon.
Maybe this was made before the prohibition of Cynocephalic icons? it certainly looks like it could be from the 16th century.
The article Orthodox_slav linked says that the type appeared in the latter half of the sixteenth century.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2132 on: June 17, 2018, 06:06:24 PM »
I've noticed that multiple old believer icons of Saint Nicholas have him in a composition that may be particular to them. They are, strangely, all very close up to his face and he sometimes has a rather stern expression.

They remind me of the contemporary painting of Tsar Ivan the Terrible, but I'm not sure if there is an iconographical connection. They come off as extremely different from other icons of St. Nicholas, especially Greek ones and most before the schism in Russia.









Ivan the Terrible is the last one.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2133 on: June 17, 2018, 06:10:11 PM »
I've noticed that multiple old believer icons of Saint Nicholas have him in a composition that may be particular to them. They are, strangely, all very close up to his face and he sometimes has a rather stern expression.

They remind me of the contemporary painting of Tsar Ivan the Terrible, but I'm not sure if there is an iconographical connection. They come off as extremely different from other icons of St. Nicholas, especially Greek ones and most before the schism in Russia.














Ivan the Terrible is the last one.
this is a famous old believer type of icon I forgot the name but it is meant to ward away satan with his stern stare!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2134 on: June 17, 2018, 06:32:33 PM »
Is he supposed to be stern or just serious? There's a bit of a difference.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2135 on: June 17, 2018, 06:33:49 PM »
I've noticed that multiple old believer icons of Saint Nicholas have him in a composition that may be particular to them. They are, strangely, all very close up to his face and he sometimes has a rather stern expression.

They remind me of the contemporary painting of Tsar Ivan the Terrible, but I'm not sure if there is an iconographical connection. They come off as extremely different from other icons of St. Nicholas, especially Greek ones and most before the schism in Russia.

Ivan the Terrible is the last one.
this is a famous old believer type of icon I forgot the name but it is meant to ward away satan with his stern stare!

That's way cooler than I was thinking the meaning would be.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2136 on: June 17, 2018, 06:37:56 PM »
famous Russian saying: there's no icon like Nicholas
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2137 on: June 17, 2018, 06:46:10 PM »
I've noticed that multiple old believer icons of Saint Nicholas have him in a composition that may be particular to them. They are, strangely, all very close up to his face and he sometimes has a rather stern expression.

They remind me of the contemporary painting of Tsar Ivan the Terrible, but I'm not sure if there is an iconographical connection. They come off as extremely different from other icons of St. Nicholas, especially Greek ones and most before the schism in Russia.









Ivan the Terrible is the last one.

The first one rubs me the wrong way. It's like St. Nicholas is scolding a child.

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« Reply #2138 on: June 17, 2018, 08:07:28 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2140 on: June 19, 2018, 01:33:25 PM »
I don't know if you can consider them schlock or just strange, and perhaps they've been posted earlier on this forum (I'm too lazy to check), but has anyone come across this guy's deviant art for  iconography? Most of his subjects are Roman Catholic post-schism saints, but there's quite a number of pre-schism Saints as well.

https://theophilia.deviantart.com/





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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2141 on: June 19, 2018, 01:35:32 PM »
I don't know if you can consider them schlock or just strange, and perhaps they've been posted earlier on this forum (I'm too lazy to check), but has anyone come across this guy's deviant art for iconography? Most of his subjects are Roman Catholic post-schism saints, but there's quite a number of pre-schism Saints as well.

https://theophilia.deviantart.com/







I have seen his work and in my opinion, this is strange and not real icons as icons have a particular style and this is not one of those many styles!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2142 on: June 19, 2018, 01:36:44 PM »
I don't know if you can consider them schlock or just strange, and perhaps they've been posted earlier on this forum (I'm too lazy to check), but has anyone come across this guy's deviant art for  iconography? Most of his subjects are Roman Catholic post-schism saints, but there's quite a number of pre-schism Saints as well.

https://theophilia.deviantart.com/







From an artistic standpoint, they aren't that bad. From the Orthodox standpoint, they look like a slight upgrade from MonasteryIcons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2143 on: June 19, 2018, 01:59:26 PM »
The eyes are dead.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2144 on: June 19, 2018, 03:11:40 PM »
I don't know if you can consider them schlock or just strange, and perhaps they've been posted earlier on this forum (I'm too lazy to check), but has anyone come across this guy's deviant art for  iconography? Most of his subjects are Roman Catholic post-schism saints, but there's quite a number of pre-schism Saints as well.

https://theophilia.deviantart.com/







They're all so handsome. It's odd how they all have blue eyes as well.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2145 on: June 19, 2018, 11:18:17 PM »
They look like some young English model made a photoshoot dressed like many saints.
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« Reply #2146 on: June 19, 2018, 11:22:48 PM »
Yes, variations of the same guy.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2147 on: June 20, 2018, 10:54:32 AM »
Saint Augustine looks like he's modeled on young Paul Rudd.

As for the images generally, the similarity of the style with comic book art is too distracting for them to really work as icons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2148 on: June 20, 2018, 11:25:37 AM »
I don't know if you can consider them schlock or just strange, and perhaps they've been posted earlier on this forum (I'm too lazy to check), but has anyone come across this guy's deviant art for  iconography? Most of his subjects are Roman Catholic post-schism saints, but there's quite a number of pre-schism Saints as well.

https://theophilia.deviantart.com/

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2149 on: June 20, 2018, 11:31:27 AM »
whoever is doing this art are Catholics he makes his ''icon'' of  Jesus Christ with a sacred heart and his saints have catholic vestments on them :laugh:
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2150 on: June 21, 2018, 02:23:53 PM »
Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2151 on: June 21, 2018, 02:29:27 PM »


''the merciful mother of the mentally ill'' that's a new one!  :D
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2152 on: June 21, 2018, 02:31:03 PM »
''the merciful mother of the mentally ill'' that's a new one!  :D

An RC group under the patronage of a saint dedicated to the mentally ill commissioned it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2153 on: June 21, 2018, 02:42:05 PM »
''the merciful mother of the mentally ill'' that's a new one!  :D

An RC group under the patronage of a saint dedicated to the mentally ill commissioned it.

interesting  :-\  :-\  :-\
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2154 on: June 21, 2018, 02:57:22 PM »
''the merciful mother of the mentally ill'' that's a new one!  :D

An RC group under the patronage of a saint dedicated to the mentally ill commissioned it.

At least this one had a good message behind hit.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2155 on: June 22, 2018, 01:07:19 AM »

This seems more like Byzantine art than an icon really, but it's kind of neat. Is this actually from somewhere on Mount Athos?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2156 on: June 22, 2018, 06:02:18 AM »
^^ It definitely shows Mount Athos and it's from monastery Pantocrator, you can read here in Romanian (that's source of this photo): https://sfantulmunteathos.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/o-noua-izvodire-iconografica-maica-domnului-protectoarea-sfantului-munte/
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2157 on: June 22, 2018, 11:04:34 AM »
^^ It definitely shows Mount Athos and it's from monastery Pantocrator, you can read here in Romanian (that's source of this photo): https://sfantulmunteathos.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/o-noua-izvodire-iconografica-maica-domnului-protectoarea-sfantului-munte/
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2158 on: June 25, 2018, 09:13:00 PM »

Demons rejoicing over a haphazardly made sign of the cross. (My apologies for the large size, still not sure how to modify it.)







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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2159 on: June 25, 2018, 09:20:25 PM »
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