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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1935 on: September 28, 2017, 08:44:57 PM »
Wow! Glad I don't have one of those.
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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1937 on: September 28, 2017, 09:10:57 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1938 on: September 28, 2017, 09:29:23 PM »
Looks absolutely nothing like the Holy Trinity, what were they thinking!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1939 on: September 28, 2017, 09:30:49 PM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1940 on: September 28, 2017, 09:56:16 PM »
Looks absolutely nothing like the Holy Trinity, what were they thinking!

Do tell us what the Holy Trinity looks like.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1941 on: September 28, 2017, 09:59:39 PM »


Christ the omniopticon

There's written in Greek " the Holy Trinity "

Looks more like something out of Homer than the Church Fathers  :angel:
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1942 on: September 29, 2017, 07:00:43 AM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1943 on: September 29, 2017, 08:03:55 AM »


Christ the omniopticon

I have seen a similar one but with only 2 noses.  Nut even that one is an anomaly.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1944 on: September 29, 2017, 11:20:02 AM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
I've never seen anything like it I'll have to research it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1945 on: September 29, 2017, 11:21:53 AM »

The Native American Christ.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1946 on: September 29, 2017, 11:37:20 AM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
I've never seen anything like it I'll have to research it.

An article from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_of_Edessa

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1947 on: September 29, 2017, 11:39:28 AM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
I've never seen anything like it I'll have to research it.

It's extremely common. Many churches have it prominently above the altar. It's actually one of the very oldest types of icons in Christianity. I strongly urge you to attend an actual Orthodox parish instead of wasting time pretending to be a member of a sect you have never encountered apart from the internet.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1948 on: September 29, 2017, 12:30:41 PM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
I've never seen anything like it I'll have to research it.

It's extremely common. Many churches have it prominently above the altar. It's actually one of the very oldest types of icons in Christianity. I strongly urge you to attend an actual Orthodox parish instead of wasting time pretending to be a member of a sect you have never encountered apart from the internet.
You don't understand I will NEVER attend an Ortjodox church that has set aside tradition for the heresy of ecumenism. Of course you don't understand because there are probably about 4 Orthodox churches in your area alone? For now I pray at home,in time I will be baptized.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1949 on: September 29, 2017, 12:48:57 PM »
How can you defend a tradition you don't know?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1950 on: September 29, 2017, 12:55:16 PM »
How can you defend a tradition you don't know?
I don't want to turn this into one of "those" threads, but to answer your question I do know tradition and in my opinion the churches under the EP and MP have abandoned those traditions. The EP churches especially as there are:

Pews
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Women do not cover their hair in church
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1951 on: September 29, 2017, 01:19:12 PM »
How can you defend a tradition you don't know?
I don't want to turn this into one of "those" threads, but to answer your question I do know tradition and in my opinion the churches under the EP and MP have abandoned those traditions. The EP churches especially as there are:

Pews
Organs (at least in the ones near me)
Women do not cover their hair in church
No prostrations
Beardless,modern clergy
Mixed seating

You aren't living any tradition right now.  You can't be an Orthodox Christian willfully without a community alone in your bedroom.  For someone who hasn't even been received into the Church, you're awfully quick to sit in judgment of those who are already a part of the Body of Christ.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1952 on: September 29, 2017, 02:14:39 PM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
I've never seen anything like it I'll have to research it.

It's extremely common. Many churches have it prominently above the altar. It's actually one of the very oldest types of icons in Christianity. I strongly urge you to attend an actual Orthodox parish instead of wasting time pretending to be a member of a sect you have never encountered apart from the internet.
You don't understand I will NEVER attend an Ortjodox church that has set aside tradition for the heresy of ecumenism. Of course you don't understand because there are probably about 4 Orthodox churches in your area alone? For now I pray at home,in time I will be baptized.

It would be wise to baptize yourself and become your own bishop.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1953 on: September 29, 2017, 02:52:41 PM »
How can you defend a tradition you don't know?
I don't want to turn this into one of "those" threads, but to answer your question I do know tradition and in my opinion the churches under the EP and MP have abandoned those traditions. The EP churches especially as there are:

Pews
Organs (at least in the ones near me)
Women do not cover their hair in church
No prostrations
Beardless,modern clergy
Mixed seating
Don't forget the dastardly and piety-offending mandylion!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1954 on: September 29, 2017, 03:12:04 PM »
How can you defend a tradition you don't know?
I don't want to turn this into one of "those" threads, but to answer your question I do know tradition and in my opinion the churches under the EP and MP have abandoned those traditions. The EP churches especially as there are:

Pews
Organs (at least in the ones near me)
Women do not cover their hair in church
No prostrations
Beardless,modern clergy
Mixed seating

You aren't living any tradition right now.  You can't be an Orthodox Christian willfully without a community alone in your bedroom.  For someone who hasn't even been received into the Church, you're awfully quick to sit in judgment of those who are already a part of the Body of Christ.
That's a weak response, just because I'm not a baptized Orthodox Christian doesn't mean I'm not one by heart. Many Old Calendarists have no choice but to turn their home into a church, and doesn't Christ tell us to pray indoors?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1955 on: September 29, 2017, 03:12:54 PM »
How can you defend a tradition you don't know?
I don't want to turn this into one of "those" threads, but to answer your question I do know tradition and in my opinion the churches under the EP and MP have abandoned those traditions. The EP churches especially as there are:

Pews
Organs (at least in the ones near me)
Women do not cover their hair in church
No prostrations
Beardless,modern clergy
Mixed seating
Don't forget the dastardly and piety-offending mandylion!
Hooray I learned something new today! and yes I'm glad the icon is canonical.  ;D
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1956 on: September 29, 2017, 03:18:24 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1957 on: September 30, 2017, 02:56:16 PM »
What's strange there?

It's not the typical icon you would see in your local Orthodox parish, also I think it's uncanonical.


This????



This typy is called "Mandyllion". It's pretty common.
I've never seen anything like it I'll have to research it.

It's extremely common. Many churches have it prominently above the altar. It's actually one of the very oldest types of icons in Christianity. I strongly urge you to attend an actual Orthodox parish instead of wasting time pretending to be a member of a sect you have never encountered apart from the internet.
You don't understand I will NEVER attend an Ortjodox church that has set aside tradition for the heresy of ecumenism. Of course you don't understand because there are probably about 4 Orthodox churches in your area alone? For now I pray at home,in time I will be baptized.

Jackson02,

Since you admit in a subsequent post that you don't want to turn this thread into "one of 'those' threads", I think you are sufficiently aware that your tangent violates the rules for this section, and am content to let this slide.  We will both regret a reoccurrence, so let's not go there.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1958 on: September 30, 2017, 02:56:41 PM »
Thread unlocked.  Back on topic, everyone.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1959 on: October 01, 2017, 03:45:35 PM »
Once when I visited Jordanville, I set the items I got there on the floor, and a monk saw it and said I shouldn't put ikons on the floor.

I wonder then, what about mouse pads that use saints' images. Are they acceptable?





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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1960 on: October 01, 2017, 03:48:19 PM »
Father Hopko didn't like that kind of thing (which I would guess would include saint image mousepads, but I never heard him talk about that specifically), either. He didn't even like photos of icons in places where they were likely to be destroyed (cheap paperback covers) or deleted (desktop wallpaper).
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1961 on: October 01, 2017, 03:49:38 PM »
Once when I visited Jordanville, I set the items I got there on the floor, and a monk saw it and said I shouldn't put ikons on the floor.

I wonder then, what about mouse pads that use saints' images. Are they acceptable?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1962 on: October 01, 2017, 03:52:11 PM »
Father Hopko didn't like that kind of thing (which I would guess would include saint image mousepads, but I never heard him talk about that specifically), either. He didn't even like photos of icons in places where they were likely to be destroyed (cheap paperback covers) or deleted (desktop wallpaper).
If it isn't tangible, it's not an icon as far as I'm concerned. But yeah, it bothers me how easy it is to make an icon these days. For example, I get fundraising stuff in the mail from various Orthodox groups on a regular basis, and it bothers me that they print all these icons in their newsletters and whatnot which will inevitably be destroyed. Not much we can do about it though.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1963 on: October 07, 2017, 10:48:46 AM »



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« Reply #1964 on: October 07, 2017, 11:20:35 AM »
Wow. That is really... wow.
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« Reply #1965 on: October 07, 2017, 12:08:37 PM »
Nice!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1966 on: October 08, 2017, 09:49:43 AM »
I love those! It's like a Seraphim protest march.Where is that?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1967 on: October 08, 2017, 09:58:27 AM »
I love those! It's like a Seraphim protest march.Where is that?

Iasi, Romania.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1968 on: October 08, 2017, 04:57:27 PM »
"Six-winged, many-eyed Seraphim".
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1969 on: October 14, 2017, 04:25:40 PM »
Saint Luke



Dormition
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1970 on: October 14, 2017, 04:35:55 PM »
The first one is most interesting. Is that the Annunciation?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1971 on: October 14, 2017, 05:01:46 PM »
The first one is most interesting. Is that the Annunciation?

I think it's st. apostle Luke being taught by an angel to paint/write icons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1972 on: October 14, 2017, 05:17:48 PM »
Non-typical the Angel Guardian

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« Reply #1973 on: October 14, 2017, 06:22:16 PM »
Dormition


I love the Dormition icon.  This interpretation is very sweet.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1974 on: October 14, 2017, 07:39:23 PM »
Dormition


I love the Dormition icon.  This interpretation is very sweet.

I love it too, so I'm sure it's irredeemably cacodox.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1975 on: October 14, 2017, 08:00:13 PM »
It would be even better with an angel slicing off the Jew's hands.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1976 on: October 21, 2017, 06:25:15 AM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1977 on: October 25, 2017, 07:58:13 PM »
Not strange...maybe just premature.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1978 on: October 26, 2017, 03:04:40 PM »
^^yeah, without the aureole it would be correct, since depicting a certain person on frescoes and icons is one of the signals for the Church that this he/she is considered by people to be a saint, that's venerated.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1979 on: October 26, 2017, 03:36:51 PM »
The Mandilion (the one with the neck) is the work of one of the most renowned modern icon painter, Archimandrit Zinon Theodore.

The modeling of the face is typical to Zinon's style and based on early Christian art. In contrary to other images, e.g. Russian icons, the picture features a very distinct thick nose, large yeys and... a neck which is usually not painted on this type of icon.

As to the second icon, the "Dormition",  I would say it is an avant-garde icon. The modeling, colour choice and ornaments are very subtle and geometric, it looks very different from traditional Dormitrion icons.

We should not forget that the most essential function of each icon is prayer - and I would ask a question: is it possible to pray with that icon? I'm getting mixed feelings....

Someone said the interpretation is very "sweet" - well, it should not be... An icon painter should avoid excessive sentimentality and to some extent, avoid showing emotions in icons.

It is definitelly an amazing piece of art, but decorative art :)
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