Author Topic: Strange icons (Read 509239 times)

hecma925 · « **Reply #1125 on:** September 13, 2015, 02:06:52 AM »

By the hand of Fr. Stamatis Skliris.

The eyes are just weird. The rest looks sloppy, like the Serbs called him the night before and ordered a painting to be done.

LBK · « **Reply #1126 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:16:30 AM »

Quote from: hecma925 on September 13, 2015, 02:06:52 AM

By the hand of Fr. Stamatis Skliris.

The eyes are just weird. The rest looks sloppy, like the Serbs called him the night before and ordered a painting to be done.

Even before I had scrolled down to see what you had written, I knew it was a Skliris work.

Not only are the eyes typical of his work, too large and with an unsettling gaze (there's quite a difference between "not of this world" and "weird"), but the small white dot in the irises is plain wrong. It speaks of reflected light from an external, earthly light source, the opposite of the divine Light which radiates from within a saint.

He also has signed his work in the lower left corner: +St. Not even "by the hand of". Another reason not to encourage patronage of his work.

LenInSebastopol · « **Reply #1127 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:31:17 AM »

Wow. I thought that the icon had St. Sebastian looking at this world and getting weird since he already knows about the Better Place.
Does any here look and see comfort around here?
I mean more than OC Net.

LBK · « **Reply #1128 on:** September 13, 2015, 09:59:23 AM »

Quote from: LenInSebastopol on September 13, 2015, 08:31:17 AM

Wow. I thought that the icon had St. Sebastian looking at this world and getting weird since he already knows about the Better Place.

This is a serious misunderstanding of what iconography is and stands for.

biro · « **Reply #1129 on:** September 13, 2015, 11:17:39 AM »

He looks sad.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1130 on:** September 13, 2015, 11:29:45 AM »

Quote from: biro on September 13, 2015, 11:17:39 AM

He looks sad.

He's become anime

LenInSebastopol · « **Reply #1131 on:** September 14, 2015, 08:59:37 AM »

Quote from: LBK on September 13, 2015, 09:59:23 AM

Quote from: LenInSebastopol on September 13, 2015, 08:31:17 AM
Wow. I thought that the icon had St. Sebastian looking at this world and getting weird since he already knows about the Better Place.

This is a serious misunderstanding of what iconography is and stands for.

Serious?
Don't feel it, but if you say so.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1132 on:** September 14, 2015, 03:11:38 PM »

Quote from: LBK on September 28, 2014, 07:38:47 AM

Quote from: Dominika on September 28, 2014, 07:17:57 AM
I think it has been posted somewhere and discussed (however, surely not in this thread) but probably not this particular version; it's from a Serbian monastery, it seems to be Gradac (XIII c). If the exact fresco was posted, I'm sorry for the duplication

This is an icon of Christ as the Ancient of Days, as seen in the inscription IC-XC, painted in the four red medallions either side of Him. The double halo is rather odd, but everything else is quite proper.

In the lower section of the icon are these words from the hymn at the Eucharistic Canon: Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord Sabaoth! Heaven and earth are full of Your glory. [/i]

Is that Canon the translation of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NadxBC61tmE

I thought this hymn was exclusively Roman Catholic?

LBK · « **Reply #1133 on:** September 14, 2015, 06:12:14 PM »

This is the hymn from the Divine Liturgy:

Holy Holy Holy Lord Sabaoth,
Heaven and earth are full of Your glory!
Hosanna in the highest!
Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord
Hosanna in the highest!

wgw · « **Reply #1134 on:** September 14, 2015, 06:16:00 PM »

Indeed, that hymn is in fact common to nearly all ancient Eucharistic liturgies. I cant think of a surviving liturgical tradition where one does not hear it, in some form.

Dominika · « **Reply #1135 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:58:44 PM »

Saint car presente like st. John the Forerunner

HaydenTE · « **Reply #1136 on:** October 05, 2015, 06:26:18 PM »

Quote from: Dominika on October 05, 2015, 01:58:44 PM

What's this one supposed to be?

Dominika · « **Reply #1137 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:28:01 AM »

^^ Icon of the feast of the renewal (consecration) of the Resurrection Church in Jerusalem

There is an old icon in such type:

And another type of this feast's icon:

I found a detailes description in Russian: http://www.ermolino-monastery.ru/Site/ikona/ikona.htm

Dominika · « **Reply #1138 on:** October 07, 2015, 12:25:31 PM »

Five Sunday of the Great Lent (especially the one with the Transfiguration and st. Gregory Palams is interesting, as it higlights the idea of puting st. Gregory on the 2nd Sunday of the Great Lent, so the teach of the Divine Energies that shined on the Mount Tabor and RC still have the reading about the Transfiguration of this Sunday and so on; I find also nice the idea of putting the Cross in the middle, as it's the reason of putting the Cross Sunday in the middle of Great Lent)

biro · « **Reply #1139 on:** October 07, 2015, 02:25:44 PM »

I like that one.

HaydenTE · « **Reply #1140 on:** October 07, 2015, 05:00:40 PM »

I like it too.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1141 on:** October 07, 2015, 07:50:53 PM »

Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?

HaydenTE · « **Reply #1142 on:** October 07, 2015, 08:23:17 PM »

Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 07:50:53 PM

Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?

Yep.

Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1143 on:** October 07, 2015, 08:38:14 PM »

Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:23:17 PM

Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?

Yep.

Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.

Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

HaydenTE · « **Reply #1144 on:** October 07, 2015, 08:40:39 PM »

Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 08:38:14 PM

Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?

Yep.

Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.

Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

Oh, I see. Well, you're out of luck.

HaydenTE · « **Reply #1145 on:** October 07, 2015, 08:46:54 PM »

Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:40:39 PM

Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?

Yep.

Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.

Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

Oh, I see. Well, you're out of luck.

Or have this cheap edit I made.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1146 on:** October 07, 2015, 08:49:23 PM »

Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:46:54 PM

Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:40:39 PM
Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: HaydenTE on October 07, 2015, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Amatorus on October 07, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
Is there an icon that displays an icon of an icon (like the victory over the Iconoclasts), causing an infinite loop? An Icon-ception?

Yep.

Icons of the Pantokrator, the Hodegetria, and the Not Made By Hands, all inside a icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy.

Hmm, that's interesting...I actually meant though like an icon of the Triumph of Orthodoxy within an icon, causing an endless depiciton. Like this image:

Oh, I see. Well, you're out of luck.

Or have this cheap edit I made.

good enough haha

Dominika · « **Reply #1147 on:** October 08, 2015, 03:38:47 PM »

Just one thing here is strange: that the cross can be drown out from the icon

Mor Ephrem · « **Reply #1148 on:** October 08, 2015, 04:24:56 PM »

Source

Hawkeye · « **Reply #1149 on:** October 08, 2015, 04:44:20 PM »

Quote from: Dominika on October 08, 2015, 03:38:47 PM

Just one thing here is strange: that the cross can be drown out from the icon

I like the idea but the possibility of an icon of the Crucifixion without it proper makes me uneasy.

Dominika · « **Reply #1150 on:** October 08, 2015, 04:52:09 PM »

Quote from: Mor Ephrem on October 08, 2015, 04:24:56 PM

Source

Firstly I thought it's photoshoped (some faces look too much natural), however it's also on the official website of the Kruševac diocese...

Hawkeye · « **Reply #1151 on:** October 08, 2015, 05:03:41 PM »

Quote from: Dominika on October 08, 2015, 04:52:09 PM

Quote from: Mor Ephrem on October 08, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Source
Firstly I thought it's photoshoped (some faces look too much natural), however it's also on the official website of the Kruševac diocese...

Probably not photoshopped, though it seems pretty clear that seven of those figures weren't originally there (surrounding the bishop, two on both sides and three directly above). On the far right and far left, you can still see the halos of those pasted over.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1152 on:** October 08, 2015, 06:59:24 PM »

Quote from: Dominika on October 08, 2015, 04:52:09 PM

Quote from: Mor Ephrem on October 08, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Source
Firstly I thought it's photoshoped (some faces look too much natural), however it's also on the official website of the Kruševac diocese...

They really like Coca-Cola and San Pellegrino.

CrystalMind · « **Reply #1153 on:** October 13, 2015, 11:23:19 AM »

This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...

The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.

Gebre Menfes Kidus · « **Reply #1154 on:** October 14, 2015, 12:38:20 AM »

Quote from: CrystalMind on October 13, 2015, 11:23:19 AM

This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...

The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.

I'm not an expert on iconography. Can you elaborate on what the problems are with this? I guess the depictions of ISIS are troubling, in the sense that they aren't portrayed as defeated. It seems that icons that portray Satan, demons, or evildoers usually depict them as being defeated by Christ or St. Michael. I'm just speculating. I don't know for certain. I need to learn more about iconography.

Selam

hecma925 · « **Reply #1155 on:** October 14, 2015, 01:09:48 AM »

My problem with it is that it's so dark. Even Christ's glory is subdued. There are plenty of icons of martyrs where the executioners are depicted where they are not necessarily being "defeated" at the moment.

Gebre Menfes Kidus · « **Reply #1156 on:** October 14, 2015, 01:35:52 AM »

Quote from: hecma925 on October 14, 2015, 01:09:48 AM

My problem with it is that it's so dark. Even Christ's glory is subdued. There are plenty of icons of martyrs where the executioners are depicted where they are not necessarily being "defeated" at the moment.

That makes sense. Although these icons look pretty dark as well. But, yeah, something just doesn't quite seem right about the icon in question. But God bless the artist for trying to bring attention to these holy martyrs.

Selam

CrystalMind · « **Reply #1157 on:** October 14, 2015, 07:37:34 AM »

Quote from: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 14, 2015, 12:38:20 AM

Quote from: CrystalMind on October 13, 2015, 11:23:19 AM
This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...

The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.

I'm not an expert on iconography. Can you elaborate on what the problems are with this? I guess the depictions of ISIS are troubling, in the sense that they aren't portrayed as defeated. It seems that icons that portray Satan, demons, or evildoers usually depict them as being defeated by Christ or St. Michael. I'm just speculating. I don't know for certain. I need to learn more about iconography.

Selam

Quote from: Gebre Menfes Kidus on October 14, 2015, 01:35:52 AM

Quote from: hecma925 on October 14, 2015, 01:09:48 AM
My problem with it is that it's so dark. Even Christ's glory is subdued. There are plenty of icons of martyrs where the executioners are depicted where they are not necessarily being "defeated" at the moment.

That makes sense. Although these icons look pretty dark as well. But, yeah, something just doesn't quite seem right about the icon in question. But God bless the artist for trying to bring attention to these holy martyrs.

Selam

Thank you for the other icons, hecma. I've only seen the one of St. Stephan, before.

I don't know much about iconography, either, which is why I wanted to ask about this. Specifically, the things bothering me:

My understanding has always been that saints are depicted as they are in heaven? (This may be incorrect) In this case, though, they seem decidedly earthly. They're depicted at the moment of excecution, clad as prisoners, with their necks wrenched out of place, surrounded by a river of their own blood.

In contrast, I'm used to seeing groups of martyrs depicted like this: Holy Chinese Martyrs of the Boxer Rebellion

I think the artist's intent is good. But the final work--in the style of an icon, but somehow off--is unsettling. (And I'm still not convinced that this is meant as an icon for veneration... regardless of how the internet is reporting it.)

biro · « **Reply #1158 on:** October 14, 2015, 09:23:07 AM »

In another icon of these martyrs, I have seen them depicted without the terrorists. There is Christ, raining crowns of martyrdom on the people. I think someone posted it on another thread.

DeniseDenise · « **Reply #1159 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:07:03 AM »

Quote from: biro on October 14, 2015, 09:23:07 AM

In another icon of these martyrs, I have seen them depicted without the terrorists. There is Christ, raining crowns of martyrdom on the people. I think someone posted it on another thread.

you are thinking of this one

biro · « **Reply #1160 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:08:44 AM »

Yes, thank you.

Gebre Menfes Kidus · « **Reply #1161 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:35:38 AM »

Quote from: DeniseDenise on October 14, 2015, 10:07:03 AM

Quote from: biro on October 14, 2015, 09:23:07 AM
In another icon of these martyrs, I have seen them depicted without the terrorists. There is Christ, raining crowns of martyrdom on the people. I think someone posted it on another thread.

you are thinking of this one

Definitely more hopeful and victorious. May the prayers of these holy martyrs be with us!

Selam

DeniseDenise · « **Reply #1162 on:** October 14, 2015, 10:38:15 AM »

agreed.

Side note: still not sure about anyone 'signing' an icon like a piece of art.

Antonious Nikolas · « **Reply #1163 on:** October 14, 2015, 12:08:41 PM »

Quote from: DeniseDenise on October 14, 2015, 10:38:15 AM

agreed.

Side note: still not sure about anyone 'signing' an icon like a piece of art.

Agreed.

Amatorus · « **Reply #1164 on:** October 15, 2015, 09:50:12 PM »

Quote from: CrystalMind on October 13, 2015, 11:23:19 AM

This might be in the wrong place, but I wasn't sure where else to put it...

Saw this floating around the web...

The Holy Martyrs of Libya by a Serbian artist named Nicola Saric. On the one hand, he's named as an 'artist,' on the other hand, he has chosen a very specific style and the image is currently on display at Brenkhausen Monastery (Coptic Orthodox) in Höxter, Germany as a 'modern icon.'

Are the OO rules different? Because I find it decidedly unsettling. It doesn't look like any icon I've ever seen.

Why is the icon in German? Just because it was written in Germany?

hecma925 · « **Reply #1165 on:** October 16, 2015, 03:15:56 AM »

Quote from: Amatorus on October 15, 2015, 09:50:12 PM

Why is the icon in German? Just because it was written in Germany?

Why does it matter?

Amatorus · « **Reply #1166 on:** October 16, 2015, 11:10:33 AM »

Quote from: hecma925 on October 16, 2015, 03:15:56 AM

Quote from: Amatorus on October 15, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
Why is the icon in German? Just because it was written in Germany?

Why does it matter?

It's interesting to see. I didn't know they use the vernacular there.

Ikonos · « **Reply #1167 on:** October 17, 2015, 05:12:05 PM »

By Fr. Photios Cooper

I think the artistic quality overall is good something seems wrong in the coloring and details.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32367061@N02/

HaydenTE · « **Reply #1168 on:** October 17, 2015, 07:26:38 PM »

Quote from: Ikonos on October 17, 2015, 05:12:05 PM

By Fr. Photios Cooper

I think the artistic quality overall is good something seems wrong in the coloring and details.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32367061@N02/

His face does sort of blend into the halo color-wise, and the outer cloth is a little to gray, but there isn't much else wrong.

Dominika · « **Reply #1169 on:** October 18, 2015, 12:09:38 PM »

Quote from: HaydenTE on October 17, 2015, 07:26:38 PM

Quote from: Ikonos on October 17, 2015, 05:12:05 PM
By Fr. Photios Cooper

I think the artistic quality overall is good something seems wrong in the coloring and details.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32367061@N02/

His face does sort of blend into the halo color-wise, and the outer cloth is a little to gray, but there isn't much else wrong.

Yeah, it's a very normal icon.

Macedonian stuff:

Detail:

News:

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