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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1080 on: August 05, 2015, 06:40:53 PM »
The above icon is inscribed Sobor (synaxis, assembly) of the Mother of God, and is the festal icon for the day after the Nativity of the Lord. The icon is also known as All Creation Rejoices in You, and is a visual counterpart to the hymn to the Mother of God of the same name, sung at the Divine Liturgy of St Basil the Great:

    All of creation rejoices in you, Lady full of grace,
    The assembly of angels and the race of men.
    O sanctified Temple and rational Paradise! O glory of virgins!
    From you, God was incarnate and became a child, our God before the ages.
    He made your body into a throne, and your womb He made more spacious than the heavens.
    All of creation rejoices in you, Lady full of grace, glory to you.


The version Dominika has posted is simplified compared to most other compositions, but retains some of the features distinctive to this icon type: the magi presenting their gifts to the enthroned Mother and Child, the assembly of angels, and things of earth such as hills and vegetation. The two haloed saints in the lower half are St John of Damascus on the left, and St Kosmas of Maiuma, iconographers who wrote a great number of hymns to the Mother of God.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1081 on: August 05, 2015, 06:54:38 PM »
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Thank you.  :)

You wrote about the hymn to the Theotokos from st. Basil's Liturgy, so I have a question: is there any difference between the icons "Assembly of the Theotokos" (Sobor Bogorodici) and "All creation rejoices in you" ("O Tebe radujetsja")? Is it actually the same icon or they're distinct but with some differences?

The different names refer to the same icon type.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1082 on: August 09, 2015, 08:42:39 AM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1083 on: August 09, 2015, 08:49:04 AM »
Not 'strange' but beautiful.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1084 on: August 09, 2015, 09:08:53 AM »
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The four mystical creatures at the periphery of the spiral (lion, ox, youth, and lion) are a feature of icons of Christ in Majesty, where Christ is enthroned in heaven, surrounded by a mandorla of uncreated light filled with seraphim, and with cherubim at His feet. The four creatures are in the corners of the composition:



Given that these creatures are so closely associated with the throne of God, it seems problematic to see them surrounding an assembly of saints.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1085 on: August 10, 2015, 01:58:42 PM »
Church in Borjomi (Georgia)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1086 on: August 12, 2015, 08:42:11 AM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1087 on: August 12, 2015, 08:46:05 AM »


IIRC this was discussed earlier in this thread, or in the Schlock Icons thread.  :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1088 on: August 12, 2015, 08:47:26 AM »


IIRC this was discussed earlier in this thread, or in the Schlock Icons thread.  :)

Being a schlock guy, I like it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1089 on: August 12, 2015, 09:52:19 AM »


IIRC this was discussed earlier in this thread, or in the Schlock Icons thread.  :)

That's quite probable ;)

And what can you tell LBK about the Gregorian fresco I'd posted earlier in this thread; is it "correct" to depict the people in icons in such shape and with these a kidn illuminations (?) ? Or is it just a Georgian type of icons that's not familari for Slavs, Greeks, Arabs etc. ?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1090 on: August 12, 2015, 10:08:35 AM »
I'm not very familiar with traditional Georgian iconography, most of the Georgian icons I've seen would have been painted quite recently, so I can't say how faithful the image you posted is to traditional styles.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1091 on: August 12, 2015, 05:57:06 PM »


This type of icon is common in Romania and other places. Nothing strange or schlock about it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1092 on: August 12, 2015, 05:58:08 PM »
Church in Borjomi (Georgia)


No, this is definitely not a traditional Georgian style. That said, I kinda like it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1093 on: August 23, 2015, 05:55:03 PM »
^^ That's interesting as the church looks relatively old (ofc not so old as the most famous Georgian monasteries)
Another picture from this church:



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1094 on: August 26, 2015, 06:17:48 PM »
The tree


The egg (and not only) - maybe it has been posted before
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1095 on: August 26, 2015, 07:27:35 PM »
The tree



From the life of St Irene Chrysovalantou:

On great feasts it was the custom of Irene to keep vigil in the courtyard of the monastery, giving thanks for the awesome beauty of creation. During one of these vigils one of the nuns, who was unable to sleep, left her cell and entered the courtyard. The nun was blessed to see Irene motionless, in prayer and levitated a metre off the ground, with two cypress trees bent to the ground before her. After Irene had finished, she blessed the trees and they returned to standing upright.

At first, the nun thought this to be a vision of the evil one. Afterwards, when others of the sisterhood noticed handkerchiefs at the top of those trees, the nun who saw Irene related what she saw. In response to this the whole sisterhood was so excited that Irene rebuked them, focusing on the need for concentration of their own prayer rule and ordering them not to relate any miracles until after Irene's repose.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1096 on: August 27, 2015, 07:50:35 AM »
Thanks for the info ^^
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1097 on: August 29, 2015, 01:21:12 PM »
Don't what type of Theotokos image it is


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1098 on: August 29, 2015, 01:29:27 PM »
Don't what type of Theotokos image it is


This was painted by a Greek, who has called it Mother of God "Bringer of Hope". I'm in no doubt that, apart from the well-known depiction of the Mother of God enthroned, this composition is of his own making.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1099 on: August 29, 2015, 01:32:12 PM »

Overloaded annuciation


You're quite right. There's far, far too much going on there. The actual Annunciation is lost among all that frou-frou.  :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1100 on: August 30, 2015, 09:05:10 AM »
^^ As always, thx LBK for info. Is this icon "Bringer of Hope" placed in any church?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1101 on: August 30, 2015, 11:04:57 PM »
The tree



From the life of St Irene Chrysovalantou:

On great feasts it was the custom of Irene to keep vigil in the courtyard of the monastery, giving thanks for the awesome beauty of creation. During one of these vigils one of the nuns, who was unable to sleep, left her cell and entered the courtyard. The nun was blessed to see Irene motionless, in prayer and levitated a metre off the ground, with two cypress trees bent to the ground before her. After Irene had finished, she blessed the trees and they returned to standing upright.

At first, the nun thought this to be a vision of the evil one. Afterwards, when others of the sisterhood noticed handkerchiefs at the top of those trees, the nun who saw Irene related what she saw. In response to this the whole sisterhood was so excited that Irene rebuked them, focusing on the need for concentration of their own prayer rule and ordering them not to relate any miracles until after Irene's repose.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1102 on: September 01, 2015, 08:49:35 PM »
I know that the usual 'Holy Family' icons are uncanonical, but is this acceptable?

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« Reply #1103 on: September 02, 2015, 05:19:11 AM »
I know that the usual 'Holy Family' icons are uncanonical, but is this acceptable?



Barely. The supplicatory arrangement of the Mother of God and St Joseph is fine, but two details are problematic: why is St Joseph pointing to himself? And why is his hair brown, not white?
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« Reply #1104 on: September 02, 2015, 07:14:04 AM »
I know that the usual 'Holy Family' icons are uncanonical, but is this acceptable?



Barely. The supplicatory arrangement of the Mother of God and St Joseph is fine, but two details are problematic: why is St Joseph pointing to himself? And why is his hair brown, not white?

I think the gesture you interpret as "pointing to himself" is actually him holding his staff. His hair seems to pretty clearly be gray to me, certainly not the the brown hair of a young man.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1105 on: September 02, 2015, 07:31:02 AM »
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I think the gesture you interpret as "pointing to himself" is actually him holding his staff.

I'm afraid it isn't. St Joseph's fingers are pointing to himself. His fingers would be closed around the staff if he were simply holding it. His open hand should be gesturing to Christ in deference, not to himself.

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His hair seems to pretty clearly be gray to me, certainly not the the brown hair of a young man.

Look more closely. The saint's hair is a light brown color, with darker brown lines to delineate features and shape. There are only a couple of white highlights, certainly not nearly enough to suggest the hair color of an aged man.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1106 on: September 02, 2015, 09:25:25 AM »

Overloaded annuciation


You're quite right. There's far, far too much going on there. The actual Annunciation is lost among all that frou-frou.  :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1107 on: September 02, 2015, 03:20:11 PM »
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I think the gesture you interpret as "pointing to himself" is actually him holding his staff.

I'm afraid it isn't. St Joseph's fingers are pointing to himself. His fingers would be closed around the staff if he were simply holding it. His open hand should be gesturing to Christ in deference, not to himself.

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His hair seems to pretty clearly be gray to me, certainly not the the brown hair of a young man.

Look more closely. The saint's hair is a light brown color, with darker brown lines to delineate features and shape. There are only a couple of white highlights, certainly not nearly enough to suggest the hair color of an aged man.

I suppose you're right about the first point. That index finger is loose. I still can't see how the hair is light brown, but I guess that we all see colors differently. Either way, I suppose I won't spend $15 on that icon. Thank you for the assistance.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1108 on: September 03, 2015, 09:55:22 AM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1109 on: September 03, 2015, 07:13:01 PM »
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It would have been better to show him vested as a bishop, holding a medicament box like the ones seen in icons of other physician-saints.
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« Reply #1110 on: September 03, 2015, 07:21:56 PM »
He looks like Father Matthew Tate of the OCA. 

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« Reply #1114 on: September 08, 2015, 06:35:42 AM »
Thanks.  :)

The composition is a pretty standard one of the scene, and was probably painted somewhere in rural Greece. Rustic, but not a strange icon at all.  :)
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« Reply #1115 on: September 08, 2015, 07:23:44 AM »
More like wondering why this is Gay when you're Straight.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1116 on: September 08, 2015, 01:58:44 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1117 on: September 08, 2015, 06:52:21 PM »
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Again, not a "strange" icon. It shows various aspects of the Virgin's nativity story: the prayers of Sts Anna and Joachim to God to give them a child and overcome their barrenness, and the angels announcing to them that God has heard their prayers and they will conceive; the conception (shown by the saints embracing); the birth; and the washing of the newborn child by midwives.

What is "strange" is that the icon is painted in a Russian style, but with Arabic inscriptions.  ;D
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1118 on: September 08, 2015, 06:54:50 PM »
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« Reply #1119 on: September 08, 2015, 07:15:24 PM »
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I love the color scheme.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1120 on: September 08, 2015, 07:26:08 PM »
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Again, not a "strange" icon. It shows various aspects of the Virgin's nativity story: the prayers of Sts Anna and Joachim to God to give them a child and overcome their barrenness, and the angels announcing to them that God has heard their prayers and they will conceive; the conception (shown by the saints embracing); the birth; and the washing of the newborn child by midwives.

What is "strange" is that the icon is painted in a Russian style, but with Arabic inscriptions.  ;D

I thought that the idea of placing all the events in something being a kind of one palace (?) is quite strange; I know the building in background of the icon for this feast is very normal, but not in node in such way, as a main theme
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1121 on: September 08, 2015, 07:54:29 PM »
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I thought that the idea of placing all the events in something being a kind of one palace (?) is quite strange;

It's not only common in iconography, but it also expresses the timelessness of the events. Linear time as we know it does not exist in heaven, just as icons are/should not be not painted in a naturalistic way using linear perspective.

Here's an icon of the Transfiguration which shows multiple aspects of the story:

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1122 on: September 11, 2015, 08:25:18 AM »
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By the rivers of Babylon


A bit different version of specific type of Christ's harrowing into Hades


A few less common elements of the Crucifixion icon


Redeption. Actually, maybe it's schlocky
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1123 on: September 11, 2015, 08:54:22 AM »
Redeption. Actually, maybe it's schlocky


It is indeed schlock. Among other problems, it shows Tsar Ivan IV (Ivan Grozny) and Rasputin as saints.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1124 on: September 11, 2015, 04:21:27 PM »




Looks a bit like the Theotokos of Athos.



And was created from the very similar idea. I can't see anything wrong with the LA icon as long as the Athonite is OK.

There is the problem of the Native American "Christ" and "Mother of God" surrounded by mandorlas in the LA painting.  :police:

In looking at the photos of the glorification of St. Sebastian of San Francisco and Jackson, which took place at Saint Steven Serbian Orthodox Cathedral in Alhambra, CA, I see that a copy of the "Our Lady of the Angels" icon is enshrined there: http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/pictures/images/9wadpatririneivisit15_10_jpg.jpg