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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #810 on: September 08, 2014, 09:59:27 AM »
These are of Sts Joachim and Anna, with their daughter, the (future) Mother of God. The old man at the base of the tree looking up at her is the forefather Jesse, the father of David the King and Psalmist.

The tree represents the root of Jesse, a prophecy of the Incarnation from Isaiah 11: There shall come forth a rod from the root of Jesse, and a flower shall grow out of the root.

The Virgin is the rod of Jesse, and her Son is the flower. This imagery is clearly expressed in this hymn from the Nativity of the Lord:

Rod out of Jesse’s root, and flower that blossomed from his stem, O Christ, You have sprung from the Virgin, the praised from the mountain overshadowed by forest; You have come, made flesh from her who knew not wedlock, yet God not formed of matter. Glory to Your power, O Lord.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #811 on: September 21, 2014, 09:39:49 PM »
"Mother of God and Emanuel in traditional Ukrainian regional garb."


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #812 on: September 21, 2014, 09:51:41 PM »
Why is her mantle red and not blue?  ???
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #813 on: September 21, 2014, 10:28:06 PM »
I'm fairly certain that the iconographic standard for the Theotokos is to have a red mantle over blue in contrast to the frequent depiction of Christ wearing blue over red.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #814 on: September 21, 2014, 11:12:03 PM »
I'm fairly certain that the iconographic standard for the Theotokos is to have a red mantle over blue in contrast to the frequent depiction of Christ wearing blue over red.

It is not simply a visual contrast.

The red tunic of Christ represents His divinity and His status as King of Kings, while the blue mantle represents His clothing with humanity through His Incarnation. The Mother of God wears a blue tunic, as she was fully human and mortal as we all are, but her mantle is red, signifying her being graced by Divinity in conceiving and bearing God Incarnate.

The Ukrainian "icon" is nothing more than folk-nationalistic schlock, I'm afraid. Well-intentioned, I'm sure, but still very wrong, and unsuitable for veneration.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #815 on: September 21, 2014, 11:29:27 PM »
I'm fairly certain that the iconographic standard for the Theotokos is to have a red mantle over blue in contrast to the frequent depiction of Christ wearing blue over red.

It is not simply a visual contrast.

The red tunic of Christ represents His divinity and His status as King of Kings, while the blue mantle represents His clothing with humanity through His Incarnation. The Mother of God wears a blue tunic, as she was fully human and mortal as we all are, but her mantle is red, signifying her being graced by Divinity in conceiving and bearing God Incarnate.

That's my understanding as well.
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« Reply #816 on: September 24, 2014, 07:25:45 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #817 on: September 24, 2014, 07:34:21 PM »
I'm fairly certain that the iconographic standard for the Theotokos is to have a red mantle over blue in contrast to the frequent depiction of Christ wearing blue over red.

It is not simply a visual contrast.

The red tunic of Christ represents His divinity and His status as King of Kings, while the blue mantle represents His clothing with humanity through His Incarnation. The Mother of God wears a blue tunic, as she was fully human and mortal as we all are, but her mantle is red, signifying her being graced by Divinity in conceiving and bearing God Incarnate.

The Ukrainian "icon" is nothing more than folk-nationalistic schlock, I'm afraid. Well-intentioned, I'm sure, but still very wrong, and unsuitable for veneration.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #818 on: September 28, 2014, 07:17:57 AM »
I think it has been posted somewhere and discussed (however, surely not in this thread) but probably not this particular version; it's from a Serbian monastery, it seems to be Gradac (XIII c). If the exact fresco was posted, I'm sorry for the duplication :P

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #819 on: September 28, 2014, 07:38:47 AM »
I think it has been posted somewhere and discussed (however, surely not in this thread) but probably not this particular version; it's from a Serbian monastery, it seems to be Gradac (XIII c). If the exact fresco was posted, I'm sorry for the duplication :P



This is an icon of Christ as the Ancient of Days, as seen in the inscription IC-XC, painted in the four red medallions either side of Him. The double halo is rather odd, but everything else is quite proper.

In the lower section of the icon are these words from the hymn at the Eucharistic Canon: Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord Sabaoth! Heaven and earth are full of Your glory.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #820 on: September 28, 2014, 10:14:08 AM »
LBK as always full of knowledge :D Thank you for the explanation, as I hadn't any idea what the type of icon is it, and I couldn't read "heaven and earth..." - I was also wondering, why there on the left is written "Holy Holy..." ;) Well, I'm still wondering a bit. Maybe it' more connected with the fragment of the book of the prophet Isaiah or the Apocalypsis?...
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #821 on: September 28, 2014, 10:20:26 AM »
LBK as always full of knowledge :D Thank you for the explanation, as I hadn't any idea what the type of icon is it, and I couldn't read "heaven and earth..." - I was also wondering, why there on the left is written "Holy Holy..." ;) Well, I'm still wondering a bit. Maybe it' more connected with the fragment of the book of the prophet Isaiah or the Apocalypsis?...

The words Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord Sabaoth are on the left side, Heaven and earth are full of Your glory are on the right. The words are from Isaiah 6:3, and through this have become part of the Eucharistic hymn.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #822 on: September 28, 2014, 12:13:59 PM »
LBK as always full of knowledge :D Thank you for the explanation, as I hadn't any idea what the type of icon is it, and I couldn't read "heaven and earth..." - I was also wondering, why there on the left is written "Holy Holy..." ;) Well, I'm still wondering a bit. Maybe it' more connected with the fragment of the book of the prophet Isaiah or the Apocalypsis?...

The words Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord Sabaoth are on the left side, Heaven and earth are full of Your glory are on the right. The words are from Isaiah 6:3, and through this have become part of the Eucharistic hymn.

Yes, I know :) I'm wondering why these particular words are written next to this particular image of Christ, why not diffrent quotation from the Bible or the Liturgy. So that's why I thought that in this context these words are more like from Isaiah or Apocalypsis (I know, the words are the same, I mean the background), than from Eucharistic Canon, I mean, their more "suitable" for such kind of Christ's icon - I hope now I put it clearly.
Anyway, interesting case, rather not so common.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #823 on: September 28, 2014, 12:57:05 PM »
I'm fairly certain that the iconographic standard for the Theotokos is to have a red mantle over blue in contrast to the frequent depiction of Christ wearing blue over red.

It is not simply a visual contrast.

The red tunic of Christ represents His divinity and His status as King of Kings, while the blue mantle represents His clothing with humanity through His Incarnation. The Mother of God wears a blue tunic, as she was fully human and mortal as we all are, but her mantle is red, signifying her being graced by Divinity in conceiving and bearing God Incarnate.

Yet one can find other sources which claim the opposite meanings for the colors.  Blue, the color of the sky, represents divinity and red, the color of blood, represents humanity.  Christ's blue over red represents his clothing our humanity with his divinity, the Birth-giver's red over blue represents her containing the divinity within her womb.  And of course we have the mosaics of Hagia Sophia and other churches of Constantinople, wear blue and gold predominate most icons of the Christ and his Mother. 
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #824 on: October 19, 2014, 07:35:20 AM »


Never saw the Devil get choked out by angels.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #825 on: October 19, 2014, 01:08:45 PM »
I can't see too well. Is that the Devil, or a dead person?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #826 on: October 19, 2014, 06:27:47 PM »
I can't see too well. Is that the Devil, or a dead person?

It's the personification of sin and death, bound and chained. I agree about the angels having at him, though. Artistic license going a little too far.  :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #827 on: October 19, 2014, 07:08:37 PM »
"Mother of God and Emanuel in traditional Ukrainian regional garb."



I really like this one. I sent it to Liza some months ago.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #828 on: October 19, 2014, 07:15:27 PM »
I can't see too well. Is that the Devil, or a dead person?

It's the personification of sin and death, bound and chained. I agree about the angels having at him, though. Artistic license going a little too far.  :P

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #829 on: October 20, 2014, 12:39:57 AM »
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

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« Reply #830 on: October 20, 2014, 12:43:55 AM »
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« Reply #831 on: October 20, 2014, 12:47:07 AM »
That's actually the least strange one on this thread.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #832 on: October 20, 2014, 12:51:20 AM »
That's actually the least strange one on this thread.

Nah, angels choking out the personification of sin and death is less strange.  And Ukrainian Theotokos and Child is cute.
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« Reply #833 on: October 20, 2014, 02:55:38 AM »

There are TWO guys locked up in Hades!
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« Reply #834 on: October 20, 2014, 02:56:55 AM »

There are TWO guys locked up in Hades!

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« Reply #835 on: October 20, 2014, 03:02:44 AM »

There are TWO guys locked up in Hades!

Adam and Steve?

More like sin and death.  :P
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« Reply #836 on: October 21, 2014, 06:11:37 PM »
                         

Christ gives enormous blessings.                   His eyebrows are weirding me out.


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« Reply #837 on: October 21, 2014, 07:17:24 PM »
                   
                His eyebrows are weirding me out.







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« Reply #838 on: October 21, 2014, 09:07:17 PM »
                       

    His eyebrows are weirding me out.




I actually really like this icon.  Looks very realistic for an icon.

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« Reply #839 on: October 21, 2014, 09:10:12 PM »
                         

Christ gives enormous blessings.                   His eyebrows are weirding me out.




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« Reply #840 on: October 22, 2014, 02:58:43 AM »
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« Reply #841 on: October 22, 2014, 04:25:56 AM »
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« Reply #842 on: October 22, 2014, 05:06:04 AM »
He could also do with more sleep .....
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« Reply #843 on: October 26, 2014, 07:14:52 PM »
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« Reply #846 on: November 24, 2014, 12:07:29 AM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #848 on: December 10, 2014, 07:16:46 PM »
Does anyone know what the Holy Theotokos is holding in her right hand?    Is that the green cedar tree from the flag of Lebanon ?  If so what is the significance of that?



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« Reply #849 on: December 10, 2014, 07:26:02 PM »
Does anyone know what the Holy Theotokos is holding in her right hand?    Is that the green cedar tree from the flag of Lebanon ?  If so what is the significance of that?





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« Reply #850 on: December 14, 2014, 11:01:33 AM »
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« Reply #851 on: December 30, 2014, 02:18:13 AM »
I kind of like this one. Does anyone know anything about it?


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« Reply #852 on: December 30, 2014, 02:20:54 AM »
It looks Maronite.  "The Baptism of Christ" written in Greek at the top, and "This is my Beloved Son" below it in Syriac. 

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #853 on: December 30, 2014, 07:03:34 AM »


Saint Mark of Efes defending the Holy Faith against the arch-heretic of Rome.

On the script that the saint is holding, it is written "Run away from the papists like you run away from the snakes."
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #854 on: December 30, 2014, 08:26:43 AM »


Saint Mark of Efes defending the Holy Faith against the arch-heretic of Rome.

On the script that the saint is holding, it is written "Run away from the papists like you run away from the snakes."

Maybe somebody can help me with this one, because I can't remember if I have ever heard a definite answer before. Is the depiction of saints trampling down heretics uncanonical? Because I seem to remember reading that the prober way of depicting heretics is with them having demons besides them.
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