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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #945 on: March 08, 2015, 10:21:30 AM »
Not the same subject, at all, but just wait till you folks find the depictions of the Child Jesus holding his penis, which were quite prevalent for centuries in the West.

All male human baby do such; again, no biggie.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #946 on: March 08, 2015, 03:18:02 PM »
No, the images were meant to hold up for veneration the first shedding of blood of the Christ for us (namely, his circumcision). There were cults of the "first wound" as there would later be cults of the "sacred heart" and so forth.
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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #948 on: March 09, 2015, 07:05:22 PM »
^ I like this guy, his hair is like mine (besides the white). This man is going places *notices he is a saint* told you.   :laugh:
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #949 on: March 09, 2015, 07:16:06 PM »
No, the images were meant to hold up for veneration the first shedding of blood of the Christ for us (namely, his circumcision). There were cults of the "first wound" as there would later be cults of the "sacred heart" and so forth.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #950 on: March 09, 2015, 07:45:05 PM »
No, the images were meant to hold up for veneration the first shedding of blood of the Christ for us (namely, his circumcision). There were cults of the "first wound" as there would later be cults of the "sacred heart" and so forth.

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A generation or so earlier, the Austrian nun Agnes Blannbekin "led a life devoted to the foreskin of Jesus". The study says: "She was obsessed by the loss of blood and the pain which the redeemer had suffered during his circumcision. On one occasion, when she was moved to tears by the thought of this suffering, she suddenly felt the foreskin on her tongue.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #951 on: March 19, 2015, 08:15:30 PM »
Is there a canon about showing the Theotokos within the Burning Bush?





I understand the theology behind it, but it seems like it could misleadingly imply that she was the one speaking to Moses through the bush.

Especially in this Coptic version where she's depicted without Christ, though I'm guessing the rules are different there. Do any OO know if this is a canonical image?



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #952 on: March 22, 2015, 01:46:08 PM »
What is the Theotokos on Intercession frescoe in the left wearing? It looks not unlike epitrachelion and omophorion.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #953 on: March 23, 2015, 07:50:30 PM »
It says - saint new-martyr by NATO, Milica the child.



- Her fresco in monastery of Dormition of the Theotokos in city Trebinje, Herzegovina.

Milica Rakic is 3 years old girl killed by US air-force in her apartment during NATO aggression against Yugoslavia in 1999. She is considered to be canonized by the Serbian Orthodox Church.





According to the law of the Serbian Orthodox Church, a person to be canonized for saint needs to meet at least one of next criteria : martyr death, to gain cult among People, occurrence of a miracle, or saint's body to be blessed - incorrupt relics.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #954 on: March 23, 2015, 11:51:04 PM »
She is considered to be canonized by the Serbian Orthodox Church.

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According to the law of the Serbian Orthodox Church, a person to be canonized for saint needs to meet at least one of next criteria : martyr death, to gain cult among People, occurrence of a miracle, or saint's body to be blessed - incorrupt relics.

In other words, she's not "considered to be canonized" in any official way.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #955 on: March 24, 2015, 04:40:47 AM »
She is considered to be canonized by the Serbian Orthodox Church.

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In other words, she's not "considered to be canonized" in any official way.

Bishop Atanasije Jeftic, known as the theologian of the Serbian Church, suggested her canonization.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #956 on: March 24, 2015, 04:46:10 AM »
By all means please canonize her, her death was a tragedy. But please don't abuse her memory by using her as a club against NATO.

The Church needs to be above political squabbles and teach that war is a tragedy regardless of which side is "right."
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #957 on: March 24, 2015, 08:27:49 AM »
By all means please canonize her, her death was a tragedy. But please don't abuse her memory by using her as a club against NATO.

The Church needs to be above political squabbles and teach that war is a tragedy regardless of which side is "right."

We should demonize NATO. After all NATO is grave digger of Orthodox Christians around the world. Just as we demonized early Roman emperors for killing Christians.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #958 on: March 24, 2015, 08:48:26 AM »
We can demonize any group of killers, as they are not a respecter of life anywhere.
The NATO group does not specify killing Orthodox because they are Christians. It is not against the law to be so.
Though there are groups of killers that wish to kill Jews & Christians and different Muslims for such.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #959 on: March 24, 2015, 09:02:31 AM »
We can demonize any group of killers, as they are not a respecter of life anywhere.
The NATO group does not specify killing Orthodox because they are Christians. It is not against the law to be so.
Though there are groups of killers that wish to kill Jews & Christians and different Muslims for such.

Lord, have mercy.

NATO's imperialist politics ruined lives of Orthodox Christians in Bosnia, Kosovo, Syria, Ukraine, if they could, they would burn Russia to the ground. I know their goal is not Orthodox Christianity, but they always end up destabilizing countries with large Orthodox population.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #960 on: March 24, 2015, 09:13:14 AM »
We can demonize any group of killers, as they are not a respecter of life anywhere.
The NATO group does not specify killing Orthodox because they are Christians. It is not against the law to be so.
Though there are groups of killers that wish to kill Jews & Christians and different Muslims for such.

Lord, have mercy.

NATO's imperialist politics ruined lives of Orthodox Christians in Bosnia, Kosovo, Syria, Ukraine, if they could, they would burn Russia to the ground. I know their goal is not Orthodox Christianity, but they always end up destabilizing countries with large Orthodox population.

I like that POV and didn't think of it as you do!  Of course, as I understand it, there was "stuff" going on in those regions and NATO responded. It is not the case that they were peacefully minding their own business in a manner that brought joy to all inhabitants. It is also the case that if NATO disbanded then Russia would move into those regions and make many other lives problematic, no? Maybe you think YES, it would be wonderful if Russia moved into Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus, Estonia maybe Germany, France, and any place else her imperialistic leaders wished? Maybe so, but it's more than I think NOT.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #961 on: March 24, 2015, 09:36:18 AM »
We can demonize any group of killers, as they are not a respecter of life anywhere.
The NATO group does not specify killing Orthodox because they are Christians. It is not against the law to be so.
Though there are groups of killers that wish to kill Jews & Christians and different Muslims for such.

Lord, have mercy.

NATO's imperialist politics ruined lives of Orthodox Christians in Bosnia, Kosovo, Syria, Ukraine, if they could, they would burn Russia to the ground. I know their goal is not Orthodox Christianity, but they always end up destabilizing countries with large Orthodox population.

I like that POV and didn't think of it as you do!  Of course, as I understand it, there was "stuff" going on in those regions and NATO responded. It is not the case that they were peacefully minding their own business in a manner that brought joy to all inhabitants. It is also the case that if NATO disbanded then Russia would move into those regions and make many other lives problematic, no? Maybe you think YES, it would be wonderful if Russia moved into Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, Belarus, Estonia maybe Germany, France, and any place else her imperialistic leaders wished? Maybe so, but it's more than I think NOT.
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Well it is either Russia or USA who move in to Poland. lol Russia is at least Slavic, just like Poland. And Russia is moving in only in to countries that have vast Russian population, unlike USA which moves in to Iraq or Vietnam which had none US citizens there. Basta!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #962 on: March 24, 2015, 09:40:34 AM »
Knock off the politics.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #963 on: March 24, 2015, 11:30:40 AM »
If only we put such passions into Icons, then maybe no strange ones would be on this thread.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #964 on: March 30, 2015, 11:59:59 AM »

Theotokos with North African Saints, in the background there is Russian Orthodox church in Rabat
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« Reply #965 on: March 30, 2015, 12:41:12 PM »
I don't think it's strange. It's one of the nicer ones on this thread.  :)
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« Reply #966 on: March 30, 2015, 03:31:57 PM »
I don't think it's strange. It's one of the nicer ones on this thread.  :)

Yeah, rather: not so common ;)
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Re: Strange icons
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« Reply #968 on: March 31, 2015, 07:25:42 PM »
Interesting, are those the four Gospel saints around Christ?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #969 on: April 05, 2015, 06:47:36 PM »
I don't know if this is "strange", but can someone explain what the creature, where the river of fire seems to flow into its mouth, in this icon is supposed to symbolize?




Is that supposed to be a representation of Gehenna itself?
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« Reply #970 on: April 05, 2015, 07:08:02 PM »
Wow. Now that there is interesting.  :o
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #971 on: April 06, 2015, 10:14:42 AM »
From the website of the Finnish Orthodox Church. I have no idea who is depicted here.

I think it is Holy Sarah Kali, it's a gypsy popular saint, protectress of the romani people, allegedly Sara Kali was one of the women at the Calvary and friend of the Theotokos.

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« Reply #972 on: April 06, 2015, 10:40:23 AM »
St. Michael Archangel


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« Reply #973 on: April 06, 2015, 12:12:55 PM »
That last one - St. Demetrios, maybe?
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« Reply #974 on: April 06, 2015, 12:33:42 PM »
Romanian icons painted by Elena Murariu




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« Reply #975 on: April 06, 2015, 04:17:23 PM »
Is there a canon about showing the Theotokos within the Burning Bush?




In the Syriac Orthodox 'shimo' (book of common prayer) you can see the following hymn in the sapro (morning prayers) of Tuesday.

sanyo haw daHzo mooshé b-Toor seenay.
lek hoo Soy-ar hwo bthulto qadeeshto.
sanyo roshem hwo l-gushmek qadeesho.
wabthulayk Tarfaw d-lo ethHarak hwaw.
`am halelooyah w-halelooyah.
w-nuro dabsanyo aloho d-bek shro.


Which is translated as:

The bush that Moses saw on the Mount Sinai
was symbolic of you, Holy Virgin.
The bush indicated your holy body
and the leaf unsinged, your virginity.
Halleluiah w-Halleluiah
and God Who dwelled in you by the fire on the bush.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #976 on: April 06, 2015, 04:28:28 PM »
Oh I know the symbolism. It's nice.

It just seems strange to specifically paint her there as though she were there at the time as opposed to God speaking to Moses. But I guess it still works.

I don't know if this is "strange", but can someone explain what the creature, where the river of fire seems to flow into its mouth, in this icon is supposed to symbolize?


Is that supposed to be a representation of Gehenna itself?

I'm pretty sure it is, yeah.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #977 on: April 06, 2015, 04:30:03 PM »
St. Michael Archangel


I like it! It's fitting that a portrayal of an angel would be all abstract-ish.

The third icon looks like St. George to me.
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« Reply #978 on: April 06, 2015, 04:31:27 PM »
Romanian icons painted by Elena Murariu




These are interesting, what are the stories behind them? :)
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« Reply #979 on: April 07, 2015, 07:05:58 AM »
I think it is somtheing related to the martyrdom of Constantine Brancoveanu and his family by ottoman turks.

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« Reply #980 on: April 07, 2015, 08:15:17 AM »
Another ethiopian icon


Georgian icons




St. Michael (quite similar with Garuda)
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« Reply #981 on: April 07, 2015, 08:26:46 AM »
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« Reply #982 on: April 07, 2015, 08:41:37 AM »
I think it is somtheing related to the martyrdom of Constantine Brancoveanu and his family by ottoman turks.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #983 on: April 07, 2015, 10:47:48 AM »

Palestinian Graffiti on the Israelis' "Separation Wall"
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #985 on: April 14, 2015, 02:22:57 AM »
Talk about a 'Jesus fish'!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #986 on: April 14, 2015, 02:48:56 PM »
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As for me being Polish it's not strange at all, as along with the Częstochowska icon the Ostrobramska one is the most venerated by our nation ;)



That's amazing! Really "the sing of Jonah". Until now I've seen only something like this
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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #988 on: April 17, 2015, 09:03:12 PM »
^At least. ;D

Beautiful pictures.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #989 on: April 18, 2015, 01:12:03 AM »
No, the images were meant to hold up for veneration the first shedding of blood of the Christ for us (namely, his circumcision). There were cults of the "first wound" as there would later be cults of the "sacred heart" and so forth.

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A generation or so earlier, the Austrian nun Agnes Blannbekin "led a life devoted to the foreskin of Jesus". The study says: "She was obsessed by the loss of blood and the pain which the redeemer had suffered during his circumcision. On one occasion, when she was moved to tears by the thought of this suffering, she suddenly felt the foreskin on her tongue.

Yeah, I could have gone my entire life without knowing that.

I can't believe in all our time together nick didn't regale you with this one of his many enthusiasms.