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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #450 on: January 17, 2014, 07:13:23 PM »
I realize this isn't really an icon, but what would the use for this be other than perhaps decoration?



It's supposed to represent the footprint left behind after the apparition of Our Lady of Pochaev. Strange.

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It is indeed representing the miraculous footprint at Pochaev. It would have been far better to have a properPochaevskaya icon which features the footprint (many of them do).

The footprint of the Theotokos? :)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #451 on: February 07, 2014, 11:12:47 PM »
Found a picture of this Western icon, and I noticed it has oval-shaped halos for Jesus and the Theotokos, but a normal one for St. Joseph. This isn't the first time I've seen oval-shaped halos in more ancient icons. What's up with them?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #452 on: February 08, 2014, 05:04:28 AM »
Found a picture of this Western icon, and I noticed it has oval-shaped halos for Jesus and the Theotokos, but a normal one for St. Joseph. This isn't the first time I've seen oval-shaped halos in more ancient icons. What's up with them?



This illumination looks like it's from about the 12th century. It didn't take long after this, at the dawn of the Renaissance at the turn of the following century for haloes to be shown as flat disks or transparent ovals, with their centers over the crown of the saint's head.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #453 on: February 08, 2014, 12:54:42 PM »
This illumination looks like it's from about the 12th century. It didn't take long after this, at the dawn of the Renaissance at the turn of the following century for haloes to be shown as flat disks or transparent ovals, with their centers over the crown of the saint's head.

So was there any specific reason behind their using both oval halos and round halos at the same time?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #454 on: February 08, 2014, 01:19:08 PM »
When I saved this icon of the Theotokos from an online image, I noticed that the eyes are two different colors.

What does this mean?  I've never noticed this in icons before.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #455 on: February 08, 2014, 02:53:50 PM »
Wow. That's interesting. Was it painted by Bowie Cat?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #456 on: February 08, 2014, 02:58:40 PM »
When I saved this icon of the Theotokos from an online image, I noticed that the eyes are two different colors.

What does this mean?  I've never noticed this in icons before.



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #457 on: February 08, 2014, 07:17:06 PM »
When I saved this icon of the Theotokos from an online image, I noticed that the eyes are two different colors.

What does this mean?  I've never noticed this in icons before.



The eyes are not two different colors. There is a rectangular patch of light haze over the eye on the viewer's right (the Virgin's left) which gives a bluish tinge to the area covered by the haze. The hazy patch is most likely a reflection in the glass covering the icon (such as a distant window), which the photograph picked up.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #458 on: February 09, 2014, 02:13:02 AM »
Thanks!  Now I can see it.   :)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #459 on: February 09, 2014, 02:15:05 AM »

Oh, She is beautiful.

Yes, it's from that nice thread you started about the nuns.  Some wonderful photos there.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #460 on: February 14, 2014, 03:22:21 PM »

Macrame icons.









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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #461 on: February 14, 2014, 10:09:02 PM »
^I actually like those. Especially the first two, although the first is better.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #462 on: February 14, 2014, 10:14:41 PM »

I liked them, too.  ;)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #463 on: February 14, 2014, 10:24:04 PM »
I liked the macramé icons.  My mom did macramé in the 1970s and made macramé purses, plant hangers, owl wall hangings and even a big macramé thunderbird.  But nothing like the icons.  That is some serious skill there.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #464 on: February 14, 2014, 10:44:14 PM »
I liked the macramé icons.  My mom did macramé in the 1970s and made macramé purses, plant hangers, owl wall hangings and even a big macramé thunderbird.  But nothing like the icons.  That is some serious skill there.

Indeed.

Those macramé icons are all beautiful.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #465 on: February 24, 2014, 10:34:09 AM »


This image was produced for the purpose of using it as part of an anti-abortion campaign. Icons must never be used to promote social or political causes, even if such causes are good ones. God is above and beyond politics, and to turn a holy image into a sociopolitical mascot is nothing short of shameful.  >:( >:( >:(

Quite similar, by painted by a Georgian Orthodox:

LBK, what do you think about this one?


And some other Georgian icons. Maybe not so strange, just a bit unusual (well, most of Georgian icons I find unusual, probably becasue I'm not used to them):



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #466 on: February 24, 2014, 05:15:40 PM »

Quite similar, by painted by a Georgian Orthodox:



LBK, what do you think about this one?


This is a version of the icon The Word Made Flesh, which is associated in some parts of the Orthodox world with helping in childbirth. It is a variation of the well-known icon Of the Sign (Platytera, Znamenniye).

The "original" was of western origin, and showed the Mother of God bare-headed, with her hair draped over her shoulders. In this Georgian version, she is shown in her conventional garments, as she should be, though it would have been good to include the stars of ever-virginity.  :(
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #467 on: February 24, 2014, 05:19:32 PM »

And some other Georgian icons. Maybe not so strange, just a bit unusual (well, most of Georgian icons I find unusual, probably becasue I'm not used to them):




These show assemblies of saints, the first appears to show saints of a particular monastery (I can't read Georgian inscriptions); the second of a group of martyrs from a particular place. Similar icons can be found in other Orthodox traditions.  :)
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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #469 on: March 13, 2014, 01:04:00 AM »


It seems one of the faces was removed/damaged and then was replaced with a cut out from another icon (painted in an entirely different style)?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #470 on: March 13, 2014, 01:05:20 AM »
ancient photoshop!

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« Reply #471 on: March 13, 2014, 01:08:11 AM »
The ancients need to update their software and restart their computers.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #472 on: March 13, 2014, 01:10:13 AM »
I also like the flagon and assorted foods.  :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #473 on: March 13, 2014, 01:14:25 AM »


It seems one of the faces was removed/damaged and then was replaced with a cut out from another icon (painted in an entirely different style)?

Yes, the face on the angel on the right is quite unlike the Ushakov style of the rest of the icon. The great question is what was behind this intrusion.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #474 on: April 02, 2014, 04:29:57 PM »

Any ideas?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #475 on: April 02, 2014, 05:46:19 PM »

Any ideas?



This is not an icon intended for veneration, but a didactic image. The image of an anonymous "crucified monk" attempts to encapsulate the steadfastness of faith, humility, dying to self, and renunciation of worldly life.

This version is rather graphic and lurid, I would say unnecessarily so. Other versions I've seen express the above, without the grand histrionics.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #476 on: April 03, 2014, 07:52:49 AM »

Any ideas?



This is not an icon intended for veneration, but a didactic image. The image of an anonymous "crucified monk" attempts to encapsulate the steadfastness of faith, humility, dying to self, and renunciation of worldly life.

This version is rather graphic and lurid, I would say unnecessarily so. Other versions I've seen express the above, without the grand histrionics.

What do the cups filled with flame represent?  On other less "graphic" versions, the monk is actually crucified, so he isn't holding anything.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #477 on: April 03, 2014, 08:19:11 AM »

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This is not an icon intended for veneration, but a didactic image. The image of an anonymous "crucified monk" attempts to encapsulate the steadfastness of faith, humility, dying to self, and renunciation of worldly life.

This version is rather graphic and lurid, I would say unnecessarily so. Other versions I've seen express the above, without the grand histrionics.

What do the cups filled with flame represent?  On other less "graphic" versions, the monk is actually crucified, so he isn't holding anything.

Other versions I've seen show the monk or nun holding candles. I suspect it refers to striving to be "the light of the world", as in Matthew 5: 14-16:

“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #478 on: April 03, 2014, 08:40:23 AM »

Any ideas?


This is not an icon intended for veneration, but a didactic image. The image of an anonymous "crucified monk" attempts to encapsulate the steadfastness of faith, humility, dying to self, and renunciation of worldly life.

This version is rather graphic and lurid, I would say unnecessarily so. Other versions I've seen express the above, without the grand histrionics.

What do the cups filled with flame represent?  On other less "graphic" versions, the monk is actually crucified, so he isn't holding anything.

Other versions I've seen show the monk or nun holding candles. I suspect it refers to striving to be "the light of the world", as in Matthew 5: 14-16:

“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

Thank you.  I haven't seen that version with the candles.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #479 on: April 07, 2014, 09:59:25 AM »

Wishing everyone a blessed Feast of the Annunciation!!!

As I was looking at some icons this morning, a few interesting ones popped up.



While I understand the meaning of the fetus within her....at this point of her life, the fetus would not have been there, though.  She was just being visited by Angel Gabriel and informed of what would occur if she agreed. 

...and then this one was a shocker.



Angel Gabriel looks aggressive, as if he's about to pounce and mug her....and she looks totally frightened and curled up in a defensive position.  Again, I understand she was a bit shocked at seeing an angel...but....
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #480 on: April 07, 2014, 10:01:08 AM »
ouch...her neck in the second one looks extremly painful....maybe she slept wrong......

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #481 on: April 07, 2014, 03:42:55 PM »
It seems this is depicting a pre-born Christ, which would be the oldest icon of such a thing I've seen so far (the others usually being motivated by pro-life stuff). It's apparently based on a 12th century icon, the Annunciation of Ustyug.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #482 on: April 07, 2014, 03:47:34 PM »
It seems this is depicting a pre-born Christ, which would be the oldest icon of such a thing I've seen so far (the others usually being motivated by pro-life stuff). It's apparently based on a 12th century icon, the Annunciation of Ustyug.



I have a copy of this at home, but it's much darker than this image: I like this one because you can see the details better. 

I was looking for an icon of the Annunciation, and I picked this one because of the infant Christ peering out from within.  ;)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #483 on: April 07, 2014, 05:12:39 PM »
It seems this is depicting a pre-born Christ, which would be the oldest icon of such a thing I've seen so far (the others usually being motivated by pro-life stuff). It's apparently based on a 12th century icon, the Annunciation of Ustyug.



Is He pre-born or just small?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #484 on: April 07, 2014, 05:18:28 PM »
ouch...her neck in the second one looks extremly painful....maybe she slept wrong......

I can never tell if it's just strange or true schlock!  The top one seems schlochky to me, the lower one just strange...

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #485 on: April 07, 2014, 05:18:55 PM »
It seems this is depicting a pre-born Christ, which would be the oldest icon of such a thing I've seen so far (the others usually being motivated by pro-life stuff). It's apparently based on a 12th century icon, the Annunciation of Ustyug.



Is He pre-born or just small?

Well, since it's at the Annunciation Christ hadn't been born yet, and if you notice she's not actually holding him in any way.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #486 on: April 07, 2014, 05:24:45 PM »
Is He pre-born or just small?

Well, since it's at the Annunciation Christ hadn't been born yet, and if you notice she's not actually holding him in any way.

Yeah, you're probably right. I was too preoccupied thinking about "Our Lady of the Sign" that I forgot the Annunciation was the subject.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #487 on: April 07, 2014, 07:13:33 PM »

Wishing everyone a blessed Feast of the Annunciation!!!

As I was looking at some icons this morning, a few interesting ones popped up.



While I understand the meaning of the fetus within her....at this point of her life, the fetus would not have been there, though.  She was just being visited by Angel Gabriel and informed of what would occur if she agreed. 


The Ustiug Annunciation shows Christ as a Child, but still all-knowing, as is proper. The version posted by Liza shows an amorphous fetus sporting a halo.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #488 on: April 07, 2014, 07:20:28 PM »

...and then this one was a shocker.



Angel Gabriel looks aggressive, as if he's about to pounce and mug her....and she looks totally frightened and curled up in a defensive position.  Again, I understand she was a bit shocked at seeing an angel...but....


This compositional type, showing the surprise and wonder of the Mother of God at Archangel Gabriel's message, is not uncommon, but whoever painted this version needs to seriously improve his draftsmanship. Here is a historic version:



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« Reply #489 on: April 09, 2014, 04:12:45 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #490 on: April 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM »


Is that Turkish Delight? 


Well, it's pink and white, and in small lumps, so .....  :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #491 on: April 11, 2014, 08:32:36 AM »


Is that Turkish Delight? 


Well, it's pink and white, and in small lumps, so .....  :)
...it's λουκούμι, which means GREEK Delight, of course!  Served with GREEK coffee and a little GREEK water.
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Is that Turkish Delight? 

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Offline Justin Kissel

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #493 on: May 03, 2014, 04:22:46 PM »
What is going on in this icon?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #494 on: May 03, 2014, 04:49:32 PM »
"And she shall crush the serpent's head."
He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will have no end.

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