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« Reply #405 on: October 09, 2013, 02:38:45 PM »

That icon reminds me of the "Sub Tuum" hymn.

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« Reply #406 on: October 09, 2013, 03:34:41 PM »


LBK where are you???  laugh

I was wondering the same thing!  Cheesy
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« Reply #407 on: October 09, 2013, 05:37:01 PM »

Here I am!  Cheesy

Where did this image come from?

I thought the inscription was trying to say "Fatima", but the first letter is an Y (ou in Slavonic), not a Θ (f in Slavonic). There's a chance it could be trying to say "The Mother of All" (Mama o Ultima) though it appears to be misspelled. If so, the picture is yet another piece of social commentary. Honorable in intent, but outside the boundaries of what icons are supposed to be.
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« Reply #408 on: October 09, 2013, 05:43:06 PM »


I got it off someone's wall on Facebook.   No additional information was provided.  It was just in a set of icon images.
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« Reply #409 on: October 09, 2013, 05:43:34 PM »

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Oh man, that rules. I'd like to see some more Orthodox depictions from St. John's Apocalypse.

LOL! Wow.
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« Reply #410 on: October 09, 2013, 05:47:28 PM »


I got it off someone's wall on Facebook.   No additional information was provided.  It was just in a set of icon images.

Any chance of a link? The other images might provide clues.  Smiley
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« Reply #411 on: October 15, 2013, 11:04:56 PM »

I realize this isn't really an icon, but what would the use for this be other than perhaps decoration?

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« Reply #412 on: October 15, 2013, 11:08:38 PM »

"The Hospitality of Abraham in the style of St. Alban’s Psalter, by Peter Murphy"



LBK ain't going to like this because although you can't depict God the Father as an "old man" nor at all, you can depict Him as a man in this particular icon. Making the icon so precise to bring out the noetic nature of the visitors to Abraham I think means you can no longer have your Trinity cake and eat it to.

Sorry orthonorm but you are wrong here. The icon is of the Trinity, not of the Father. In fact it's more of an icon of an icon since the angels with Christ acted as a type of the Trinity.
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« Reply #413 on: October 15, 2013, 11:48:50 PM »

I realize this isn't really an icon, but what would the use for this be other than perhaps decoration?



It's supposed to represent the footprint left behind after the apparition of Our Lady of Pochaev. Strange.

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« Reply #414 on: October 16, 2013, 02:49:15 AM »

I realize this isn't really an icon, but what would the use for this be other than perhaps decoration?



It's supposed to represent the footprint left behind after the apparition of Our Lady of Pochaev. Strange.

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It is indeed representing the miraculous footprint at Pochaev. It would have been far better to have a properPochaevskaya icon which features the footprint (many of them do).
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« Reply #415 on: October 16, 2013, 06:40:49 AM »

"The Hospitality of Abraham in the style of St. Alban’s Psalter, by Peter Murphy"



Was the lamb's head in the chalice in the original?  I can't tell.
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« Reply #416 on: October 16, 2013, 06:46:10 AM »

Was the lamb's head in the chalice in the original?  I can't tell.

Looks more like a Bothan than a lamb to me.
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« Reply #417 on: October 16, 2013, 06:52:07 AM »

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Was the lamb's head in the chalice in the original?  I can't tell.

Not a lamb's head, but a calf's head.
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« Reply #418 on: October 16, 2013, 09:13:40 AM »

I saw this one after I saw the ones with Mary with her hair uncovered.

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« Reply #419 on: October 16, 2013, 09:17:27 AM »

I actually really like that one. Hoping it's okay.
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« Reply #420 on: October 16, 2013, 09:21:18 AM »

A step in the right direction, showing the Mother of God in her traditional form of dress. It would have been better, however, if the Child was shown clothed - not out of prudishness, but in keeping with iconographic tradition. This icon is, after all, a variant of the Znamennaya (Of the Sign, Platytera) type, where the Child, clothed, is shown over the Virgin's body, surrounded by a blaze of uncreated Light, echoing the passage of Isaiah 7:14 : Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Emmanuel.
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« Reply #421 on: October 16, 2013, 09:42:35 AM »

I can't upload, but here are some links of the Helper in Birth icons:

Uncovered hair, naked Christ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Virgin-Helper-in-Birth-Russian-Mini-Icon-3-x-2-5-Religious-Icon-/151092313083#ht_478wt_1161

Covered hair, clothed Christ.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8015991
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« Reply #422 on: October 16, 2013, 09:48:09 AM »

I can't upload, but here are some links of the Helper in Birth icons:

Uncovered hair, naked Christ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Virgin-Helper-in-Birth-Russian-Mini-Icon-3-x-2-5-Religious-Icon-/151092313083#ht_478wt_1161

Covered hair, clothed Christ.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8015991

The second one is much more preferable to the first.
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« Reply #423 on: October 16, 2013, 09:50:25 AM »

I can't upload, but here are some links of the Helper in Birth icons:

Uncovered hair, naked Christ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Virgin-Helper-in-Birth-Russian-Mini-Icon-3-x-2-5-Religious-Icon-/151092313083#ht_478wt_1161

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http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8015991

The second one is much more preferable to the first.

I thought so.  With the more modern one I was able to post, is the depiction of Christ looking more like a real baby acceptable?  I know even when depicted as a child, He will usually look much older than, say, a baby or toddler.
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« Reply #424 on: October 16, 2013, 09:55:01 AM »

I can't upload, but here are some links of the Helper in Birth icons:

Uncovered hair, naked Christ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Virgin-Helper-in-Birth-Russian-Mini-Icon-3-x-2-5-Religious-Icon-/151092313083#ht_478wt_1161

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http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8015991

The second one is much more preferable to the first.

I thought so.  With the more modern one I was able to post, is the depiction of Christ looking more like a real baby acceptable?  I know even when depicted as a child, He will usually look much older than, say, a baby or toddler.

I was just about to post on that very detail. You are quite correct. The Child should always be shown as all-wise (as indicated by the scroll He is holding - as an adult, Christ holds either a scroll or a Gospel book, depending on the composition of the icon), and all-knowing, never as a generic, helpless baby.
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« Reply #425 on: November 04, 2013, 06:17:49 PM »

Hmm...



Oh man, that rules. I'd like to see some more Orthodox depictions from St. John's Apocalypse.

Looks like a cartoon for children.
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« Reply #426 on: November 04, 2013, 06:27:51 PM »

Hmm...



Oh man, that rules. I'd like to see some more Orthodox depictions from St. John's Apocalypse.

Looks like a cartoon for children.

So is that good or bad? Usually children are considered the epitome of human being or the worst of it. It is rather confusing.
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« Reply #427 on: November 04, 2013, 06:37:24 PM »

Hmm...



Oh man, that rules. I'd like to see some more Orthodox depictions from St. John's Apocalypse.

Looks like a cartoon for children.

So what's the grown-up way of depicting a sun-headed angel with a cloud body walking on candlestick legs feeding a book to someone?
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« Reply #428 on: November 04, 2013, 06:50:44 PM »

So what's the grown-up way of depicting a sun-headed angel with a cloud body walking on candlestick legs feeding a book to someone?

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« Reply #429 on: December 03, 2013, 11:30:04 AM »

Kinda like this one:

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« Reply #430 on: December 03, 2013, 02:05:06 PM »

I wouldn't feel comfortable venerating it but, as a piece of art, I like it too.
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« Reply #431 on: December 30, 2013, 08:38:41 AM »



Can anyone tell me about this icon? I don't remember how I came across it, while searching for other icons on google is all I know. Haven't seen any others similar to it.

Also, recommend a good book about Theotokos icons?


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Can anyone tell me about this icon? I don't remember how I came across it, while searching for other icons on google is all I know. Haven't seen any others similar to it.

Also, recommend a good book about Theotokos icons?


Thanks



It's not really an icon, it is similar to various western paintings with titles such as Madonna of the Streets.
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« Reply #433 on: December 30, 2013, 06:20:18 PM »

Icon from St. Gregorios Indian Orthodox Church, Punnamoodu, Charumoodu, Alappuzha District, Kerala, INDIA
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« Reply #434 on: December 30, 2013, 09:41:49 PM »

My goodness, what is up with that green Jesus? 
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« Reply #435 on: December 30, 2013, 09:44:28 PM »

My goodness, what is up with that green Jesus? 

Maybe they didn't have the ethnically appropriate color to work with so they used green instead.  laugh
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« Reply #437 on: December 30, 2013, 11:59:39 PM »

My goodness, what is up with that green Jesus? 

He is sick of your sins.
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« Reply #438 on: December 31, 2013, 12:05:58 AM »

My goodness, what is up with that green Jesus? 

He is sick of your sins.

While that is undoubtedly true (to the extent that the immutable God can get himself so worked up over my sins), I'm not sure if that's the answer.  I want to believe there's some traditional Indian/Hindu meaning to the colour scheme that has been adopted.  I really want to.
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« Reply #439 on: December 31, 2013, 12:33:44 AM »

My goodness, what is up with that green Jesus? 

He is sick of your sins.

While that is undoubtedly true (to the extent that the immutable God can get himself so worked up over my sins), I'm not sure if that's the answer.  I want to believe there's some traditional Indian/Hindu meaning to the colour scheme that has been adopted.  I really want to.

Hindu meanings in Christian iconography makes me green with sickness.
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« Reply #440 on: December 31, 2013, 12:47:10 AM »

Hindu meanings in Christian iconography makes me green with sickness.

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Hindu meanings in Christian iconography makes me green with sickness.



Who is that? St. Severus? (He should be headless if it's a Chalcedonian statue.) Smiley
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My goodness, what is up with that green Jesus? 

He is sick of your sins.

While that is undoubtedly true (to the extent that the immutable God can get himself so worked up over my sins), I'm not sure if that's the answer.  I want to believe there's some traditional Indian/Hindu meaning to the colour scheme that has been adopted.  I really want to.

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Who is that? St. Severus? (He should be headless if it's a Chalcedonian statue.) Smiley

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Hindu meanings in Christian iconography makes me green with sickness.
So did Christ himself establish the meanings of Byzantine iconography? Or was it influenced by the Hebrew tradition of the OT ?  Or did Hellenism influence Byzantine iconography? If it is the last, please let me know why pagan Greek (Hellenism) influence is ok in Christianity but pagan Indian (Hinduism) influence is NOT ok?
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« Reply #445 on: December 31, 2013, 01:21:33 AM »

Hindu meanings in Christian iconography makes me green with sickness.
So did Christ himself establish the meanings of Byzantine iconography? Or was it influenced by the Hebrew tradition of the OT ?  Or did Hellenism influence Byzantine iconography? If it is the last, please let me know why pagan Greek (Hellenism) influence is ok in Christianity but pagan Indian (Hinduism) influence is NOT ok?

I'm pretty sure he was joking with me, not making a serious criticism. 
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« Reply #446 on: January 17, 2014, 06:17:19 PM »

Hindu meanings in Christian iconography makes me green with sickness.
So did Christ himself establish the meanings of Byzantine iconography? Or was it influenced by the Hebrew tradition of the OT ?  Or did Hellenism influence Byzantine iconography? If it is the last, please let me know why pagan Greek (Hellenism) influence is ok in Christianity but pagan Indian (Hinduism) influence is NOT ok?
Some people say that there is paganism in Christian art. They claim that the pictures of the son and moon on either side of Christ (this is especially clear in the Indian ikon posted above), which is sometimes seen, is a holdover from pictures of pagan deities. I do not know if this is the case.

Granted, just because something is pagan does not mean it is wrong, perhaps. We say that pagans could make some correct observations in their thought about God, but we do not consider they have Right Faith or the catholic faith.

On another note, Hinduism is perhaps the main polytheist religion to have survived after so many centuries. It is not clear to me whether Buddhism is polytheist, although I know at least some Buddhist sects have deities.

One thing I would question is how different our angels are from the polytheist deities. In both cases we are talking about divine beings created by the main deity. In the Abrahamic religion, the good angels are loyal servants of God, while in polytheism they are much more independent of the main deity. So that is a difference. In the Abrahamic religion, the angels are either with God and loyal servants or going against God and/or man.
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« Reply #447 on: January 17, 2014, 06:45:46 PM »

One thing I would question is how different our angels are from the polytheist deities. In both cases we are talking about divine beings created by the main deity.

Not quite.  Angels aren't divine. 
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« Reply #448 on: January 17, 2014, 07:00:04 PM »

Well, they share with God some supernatural powers humans do not get. And IIRC, eg. Olympian gods were not equal in power either. Zeus was on the top, then his siblings, then offsprings of Kronos' children incest with each other, then gods born with lesser deities, then gods born with humans...
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« Reply #449 on: January 17, 2014, 07:01:59 PM »

Well, they share with God some supernatural powers humans do not get.

Humans share with God some qualities which angels do not, but that doesn't suddenly make humans divine. 
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