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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #315 on: July 30, 2013, 09:29:59 AM »
It looks like a chalice. Here is another version of it, which I find disturbing because of the Child's portrayal - in profile, and as a generic chubby babe, not as the all-knowing God before the Ages, as the kontakion of the Nativity proclaims:

Clearly, LBK, you're a little too judgmental on this one.  Our little Lord doesn't look like a generic chubby babe, those are cuter in real life.  This is clearly a sick baby being taken care of by our Lady, who doesn't seem to be able to get him to eat, take his medicine, etc.  Give him a chance to recover, geez.   ::)  :P  

Actually, they don't even look related.  If they looked like mother and son but he was a little more chubby, I wouldn't mind it so much (I know, my taste doesn't matter), but it bothers me that the child bears no resemblance to the mother.  I've never felt that way about an otherwise normal-looking icon before.  He looks like the Christological equivalent of Grumpy Cat.

 :laugh: :laugh:

You might be onto something here, Mor. Looking more closely, that baby does look sick. Like he's about to puke.  :P ;)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #316 on: July 30, 2013, 03:00:40 PM »

Here's one more.  I realize the Mother of God is often referred to as the "Ladder" between Heaven and Earth, however, I've never seen her holding a ladder.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #317 on: July 30, 2013, 03:05:56 PM »


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #318 on: July 30, 2013, 07:03:49 PM »

Here's one more.  I realize the Mother of God is often referred to as the "Ladder" between Heaven and Earth, however, I've never seen her holding a ladder.




That's a mix of The Uncut Mountain, but The Unburnt Bush.  Odd.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #319 on: July 30, 2013, 07:09:49 PM »

Lol!  That explanation did little to help. Now I am seeing the use of a ladder to climb the mountain to reach the burning bush.




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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #320 on: July 30, 2013, 07:16:17 PM »

Here's one more.  I realize the Mother of God is often referred to as the "Ladder" between Heaven and Earth, however, I've never seen her holding a ladder.




for some reason this reminds me of those dreadful senior photos where there was a large picture and then another sort of ghosted profile shot in the same picture.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #321 on: July 31, 2013, 03:29:42 PM »

This is a week of unknown icons on Facebook.

What about this one?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #322 on: July 31, 2013, 07:33:05 PM »
I have a similar-looking one. I forget the name, sorry, but I believe it has to do with the Theotokos as an intercessor for the sick.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #323 on: July 31, 2013, 11:53:33 PM »

This is a week of unknown icons on Facebook.

What about this one?



It's known as The Healer (Целительница, Tselitel'nitsa), and it depicts the miraculous healing of a gravely-ill priest by the Mother of God.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #324 on: August 01, 2013, 12:14:10 AM »
I have never seen this one before.

Interesting.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #325 on: August 01, 2013, 04:25:47 AM »

This is a week of unknown icons on Facebook.

What about this one?



It's known as The Healer (Целительница, Tselitel'nitsa), and it depicts the miraculous healing of a gravely-ill priest by the Mother of God.

That kid doesn't look like a priest.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #326 on: August 01, 2013, 04:47:14 AM »

This is a week of unknown icons on Facebook.

What about this one?



It's known as The Healer (Целительница, Tselitel'nitsa), and it depicts the miraculous healing of a gravely-ill priest by the Mother of God.

That kid doesn't look like a priest.

The description of the icon through Russian sources says the man was a "cleric" (клирик) . He could have been of one of the lesser ordained ranks, where a beard and long hair is not mandatory.  :police:
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #327 on: August 10, 2013, 06:49:35 AM »
My parents've recently bought it for me. He looks a bit chubby.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #328 on: August 10, 2013, 01:47:20 PM »
I've seen this icon a few times, but given the recent discussion in this thread about dark background colors being a no-no, I was curious. I'm still very new to all of this (Orthodoxy, icons, etc).



(This is the largest version I could find, sorry for the low-res.)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #329 on: August 10, 2013, 07:26:51 PM »
I've seen this icon a few times, but given the recent discussion in this thread about dark background colors being a no-no, I was curious. I'm still very new to all of this (Orthodoxy, icons, etc).



(This is the largest version I could find, sorry for the low-res.)

I've seen this one many a time. It's a Roman Catholic painting from around the 19th century, and given a Russian/Slavonic inscription. Not an icon at all.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #330 on: August 10, 2013, 07:30:29 PM »
The description of the icon through Russian sources says the man was a "cleric" (клирик) . He could have been of one of the lesser ordained ranks, where a beard and long hair is not mandatory.  :police:

Maybe beardlessness was the disease from which he needed healing?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #331 on: August 10, 2013, 09:03:30 PM »
I've seen this one many a time. It's a Roman Catholic painting from around the 19th century, and given a Russian/Slavonic inscription. Not an icon at all.

Thanks for the info; I wouldn't have known. :)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #332 on: August 10, 2013, 10:37:10 PM »
I've seen this one many a time. It's a Roman Catholic painting from around the 19th century, and given a Russian/Slavonic inscription. Not an icon at all.

Thanks for the info; I wouldn't have known. :)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #333 on: August 10, 2013, 10:37:44 PM »
The description of the icon through Russian sources says the man was a "cleric" (клирик) . He could have been of one of the lesser ordained ranks, where a beard and long hair is not mandatory.  :police:

Maybe beardlessness was the disease from which he needed healing?

I'll pay that.  :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #334 on: August 10, 2013, 10:51:32 PM »
I find disturbing because of the Child's portrayal - in profile, and as a generic chubby babe, not as the all-knowing God before the Ages, as the kontakion of the Nativity proclaims.

But didn't he empty himself of his omniscience at the time of the incarnation? He had to grow in knowledge to be fully human.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #335 on: August 10, 2013, 11:07:36 PM »
I find disturbing because of the Child's portrayal - in profile, and as a generic chubby babe, not as the all-knowing God before the Ages, as the kontakion of the Nativity proclaims.

But didn't he empty himself of his omniscience at the time of the incarnation? He had to grow in knowledge to be fully human.

The hymns and icons of the Church consistently and clearly proclaim the divine omniscience of the Child. The feasts which commemorate Christ while He was still a child (Nativity, Circumcision, Meeting, Mid-Pentecost) are most eloquent in expressing this mystery.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #336 on: August 10, 2013, 11:51:18 PM »
But didn't he empty himself of his omniscience at the time of the incarnation? He had to grow in knowledge to be fully human.

Read Luke 2.52, but also John 2.25.  :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #337 on: August 12, 2013, 12:26:25 AM »
So... Uncut Mountain Supply is selling this as an icon of St. Herman of Alaska. It seems odd?  ???


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #338 on: August 12, 2013, 12:43:41 AM »
So... Uncut Mountain Supply is selling this as an icon of St. Herman of Alaska. It seems odd?  ???



Definitely. Especially as there are a multitude of proper, well-executed and beautiful icons which have been painted over the years of this saint. Is it really so difficult for stockists to make the effort to source and sell good stuff?  :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #339 on: August 19, 2013, 03:33:14 PM »
What is the point of that?

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« Reply #340 on: August 19, 2013, 03:35:40 PM »
What is the point of that?

The point of a finger.  ;D
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« Reply #341 on: August 19, 2013, 03:45:36 PM »
What is the point of that?

In places were a Christian could be persecuted for having an icon, this one could easily be hidden when necessary.
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« Reply #342 on: August 19, 2013, 03:48:58 PM »
What is the point of that?

In places were a Christian could be persecuted for having an icon, this one could easily be hidden when necessary.

Do you think it was painted for that? Seriously?

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« Reply #343 on: August 20, 2013, 10:01:30 AM »
What is the point of that?

In places were a Christian could be persecuted for having an icon, this one could easily be hidden when necessary.

Do you think it was painted for that? Seriously?

Because it can be done. Isn't it Russian? Brought to you by the same folks who built the biggest cannon, the biggest bell, the biggest church, the biggest empire, etc. Now, why not go to the other end of the scale?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #344 on: August 20, 2013, 11:09:41 AM »
What is the point of that?

In places were a Christian could be persecuted for having an icon, this one could easily be hidden when necessary.

Do you think it was painted for that? Seriously?

Because it can be done. Isn't it Russian? Brought to you by the same folks who built the biggest cannon, the biggest bell, the biggest church, the biggest empire, etc. Now, why not go to the other end of the scale?

You beat me to it.  :laugh: Russians are renowned for their miniatures, the Palekh region particularly so.

I've seen quite a few miniature icons, but never one that small! I'm impressed. Very impressed.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #345 on: August 20, 2013, 02:03:38 PM »
I used to have a miniature icon like that. I attached it to the rearview mirror in the car. :)
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« Reply #346 on: August 21, 2013, 01:03:06 AM »
From the website of Holy Protection Monastery in White Haven, PA, see the Dormition icon in the attached file. 

Is it common for the "little" Lady in our Lord's hands to look like a cute baby with wings?  I want to pinch her cheeks! 
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #347 on: August 21, 2013, 02:45:12 AM »
From the website of Holy Protection Monastery in White Haven, PA, see the Dormition icon in the attached file. 

Is it common for the "little" Lady in our Lord's hands to look like a cute baby with wings?  I want to pinch her cheeks! 

Oh, dear God! Sentimental fluff and nonsense! There oughta be a law ....

I can assure you that is is NOT common! Never have I seen wings on any holy one's soul, be it that of the Mother of God, or of any saint at his repose when his soul is taken to heaven by an angel.
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« Reply #348 on: August 21, 2013, 04:41:32 AM »
You beat me to it.  :laugh: Russians are renowned for their miniatures, the Palekh region particularly so.

I've seen quite a few miniature icons, but never one that small! I'm impressed. Very impressed.

If there any reason for it to be created other but boasting about skills? I mean, how can one kiss that for example?
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« Reply #349 on: August 21, 2013, 04:50:45 AM »
You beat me to it.  :laugh: Russians are renowned for their miniatures, the Palekh region particularly so.

I've seen quite a few miniature icons, but never one that small! I'm impressed. Very impressed.

If there any reason for it to be created other but boasting about skills? I mean, how can one kiss that for example?

My, you have a narrow view of certain things! So using one's talent for glorifying God isn't good enough? And how many icons painted directly onto church walls or inside cupolas have you kissed, Michal?  :police:
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« Reply #350 on: August 21, 2013, 05:06:16 AM »
You beat me to it.  :laugh: Russians are renowned for their miniatures, the Palekh region particularly so.

I've seen quite a few miniature icons, but never one that small! I'm impressed. Very impressed.

If there any reason for it to be created other but boasting about skills? I mean, how can one kiss that for example?

My, you have a narrow view of certain things! So using one's talent for glorifying God isn't good enough?

How it's gloryfing God? Can you give a single practical usage of that?

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« Reply #351 on: August 21, 2013, 05:26:15 AM »
You beat me to it.  :laugh: Russians are renowned for their miniatures, the Palekh region particularly so.

I've seen quite a few miniature icons, but never one that small! I'm impressed. Very impressed.

If there any reason for it to be created other but boasting about skills? I mean, how can one kiss that for example?

My, you have a narrow view of certain things! So using one's talent for glorifying God isn't good enough?

How it's gloryfing God? Can you give a single practical usage of that?

Are you not aware that icons are (should be) painted with prayer and fasting?

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« Reply #352 on: August 21, 2013, 05:32:13 AM »
I'm also waiting for your answer to this:
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And how many icons painted directly onto church walls or inside cupolas have you kissed, Michal?

Probably a couple whan I was a child. However, frescoes have also decorative and educational purposes what can't be said abut that.

Waiting for your answer.

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« Reply #353 on: August 21, 2013, 05:44:33 AM »
I'm also waiting for your answer to this:
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And how many icons painted directly onto church walls or inside cupolas have you kissed, Michal?

Probably a couple whan I was a child. However, frescoes have also decorative and educational purposes what can't be said abut that.

Waiting for your answer.

And an icon of the Mandylion has no teaching value??
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« Reply #354 on: August 21, 2013, 06:02:04 AM »
I'm also waiting for your answer to this:
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And how many icons painted directly onto church walls or inside cupolas have you kissed, Michal?

Probably a couple whan I was a child. However, frescoes have also decorative and educational purposes what can't be said abut that.

Waiting for your answer.

And an icon of the Mandylion has no teaching value??

It hasn't sinceit has to watched with a magnifier.

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« Reply #355 on: August 21, 2013, 06:09:30 AM »
I'm also waiting for your answer to this:
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And how many icons painted directly onto church walls or inside cupolas have you kissed, Michal?

Probably a couple whan I was a child. However, frescoes have also decorative and educational purposes what can't be said abut that.

Waiting for your answer.

And an icon of the Mandylion has no teaching value??

It hasn't sinceit has to watched with a magnifier.

You're clutching at straws again in your attempt to prove you're right, when all you're doing is showing up how shallow and mean-spirited you are. An icon doesn't stop being an icon, even when it is smaller than a thumbnail.

I again praise the skill, discipline and love of God of whoever painted this little gem. Does anyone know who he/she is?
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« Reply #356 on: August 21, 2013, 06:11:05 AM »
You again ignored the fact painting icons is not something you do for Guinness records.
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« Reply #357 on: August 21, 2013, 06:15:40 AM »
You again ignored the fact paintin icons is not something you do for Guinness records.

How do you know this was the reason for the painting of this miniature? Russians have been painting icon miniatures for many centuries, it's not a new phenomenon.

Give it up, Michal. You're looking more and more foolish and mean-spirited with each post.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #358 on: August 21, 2013, 06:17:47 AM »
You again ignored the fact paintin icons is not something you do for Guinness records.

How do you know this was the reason for the painting of this miniature? Russians have been painting icon miniatures for many centuries, it's not a new phenomenon.

Give it up, Michal. You're looking more and more foolish and mean-spirited with each post.

You've still failed to provide a single reason why one would be painting them (apart from boasting about his skills).
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #359 on: August 21, 2013, 06:23:50 AM »
You again ignored the fact paintin icons is not something you do for Guinness records.

How do you know this was the reason for the painting of this miniature? Russians have been painting icon miniatures for many centuries, it's not a new phenomenon.

Give it up, Michal. You're looking more and more foolish and mean-spirited with each post.

You've still failed to provide a single reason why one would be painting them (apart from boasting about his skills).

Did/do the painters of Palekh paint their miniature icons simply to boast about their skills? Indeed, using your logic, every iconographer is simply to show off their artistic skill.

Go back and read my posts again. Your stubbornness is there for all to see.
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