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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2340 on: October 01, 2018, 02:48:37 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2341 on: October 01, 2018, 04:48:35 PM »
That's by Ioan Popa. You can see some of his other work here: https://www.orthodoxartsjournal.org/towards-a-great-pictorial-synthesis-interview-with-ioan-popa/
Great! I've seen some of them earlier, but didn't know the artist. Thanks for posting this! :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2342 on: October 01, 2018, 05:57:44 PM »
I'm torn about it. The words "Christian body horror" keep popping into my head.

Of course, on the other hand, the Cross IS inherently a pretty gruesome thing and it's good to be reminded of that at times, imo.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2343 on: October 08, 2018, 08:55:42 AM »


An iconographical depiction of the Trinity Lavra with the Saints who laboured there.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2344 on: October 08, 2018, 09:09:26 AM »
^^ Nice! :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2345 on: October 08, 2018, 01:53:12 PM »

I've never seen a "black" halo before.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2346 on: October 08, 2018, 01:54:07 PM »
That could be Judas.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2347 on: October 08, 2018, 01:55:58 PM »

Yes...I believe it is...but, still... I've never seen a black halo before.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2348 on: October 08, 2018, 02:15:51 PM »

Yes...I believe it is...but, still... I've never seen a black halo before.

Ah, okay.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2349 on: October 08, 2018, 02:17:24 PM »


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“God,”
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2350 on: October 08, 2018, 02:21:45 PM »

I've never seen a "black" halo before.



I don't see anything wrong with it.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2351 on: October 08, 2018, 02:49:51 PM »


Doesn't look too strange to me. Looks warm. :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2352 on: October 08, 2018, 02:56:26 PM »

I've never seen a "black" halo before.



I don't see anything wrong with it.

I agree.  I also don't think there's anything wrong with it... I've just never seen "darkness" depicted in a halo.  Halos are supposed to represent God's Light shining from the entity.... darkness doesn't "shine"....however, I think it is pretty symbolic.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2353 on: October 08, 2018, 04:38:13 PM »
It looks like Non-Saint Judas is carrying a sack of money.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2354 on: October 08, 2018, 05:30:54 PM »
It looks like Non-Saint Judas is carrying a sack of money.
Not sure if that sack contains exactly 30 pieces of silver, or if that is only the Apostles' treasury he would keep and embezzle funds from. Could be either.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2355 on: October 08, 2018, 06:50:38 PM »

I've never seen a "black" halo before.


Oh, indeed.

But it's a perfect commentary to the Church hymns.

Troparion of the Great Thursday and of the Great Friday Matins:
When the glorious disciples were enlightened at the supper during the washing of the feet,
then Judas the ungodly one was stricken and darkened with the love of silver.


And the fourth antiphon of the Great Friday Matins:
Today Judas forsakes the Master and accepts the devil:
he is blinded by the passion of avarice
and darkened he falls from the Light.
For how could he see, who sold the Light for thirty pieces of silver?
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To Him, let us cry:
O Thou who sufferest with men and for their sakes, glory to Thee.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2356 on: October 08, 2018, 09:05:21 PM »
I really love it when little details of hymnography and iconography happen to line up like that :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2357 on: October 08, 2018, 11:55:15 PM »
Interestingly, I’ve seen Judas depicted with a regular halo at the Toledo Museum of Art

According to the docent, this is to disguish the scene as “spiritual” from the “worldly” patron below.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2358 on: October 09, 2018, 12:24:05 AM »


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It looks like baby Jesus is balding.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2359 on: October 09, 2018, 08:45:01 AM »


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It looks like baby Jesus is balding.

Yes, it’s a sign of wisdom. St. Paul and St. John Chrysostom have similar hairstyles


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2360 on: October 09, 2018, 11:30:00 AM »
 Babies are sometimes bald.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2361 on: October 28, 2018, 02:42:27 PM »
Icons by Srdjan Radojković. Some of them are based on Oriental traditions, it seems:





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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2362 on: October 28, 2018, 02:51:26 PM »
I really like the Pentecost icon, especially without the Cosmos figure.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2363 on: October 28, 2018, 03:09:21 PM »
That second one, who are the saints in it?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2364 on: October 28, 2018, 03:18:15 PM »
That second one, who are the saints in it?

Seems to be the Mystical Supper.  Judas is leaving.
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« Reply #2365 on: October 28, 2018, 03:57:56 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2366 on: October 28, 2018, 04:02:36 PM »


An icon of St. Sergius of Radonezh.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2367 on: October 28, 2018, 04:07:51 PM »
What's strange about it?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2368 on: October 28, 2018, 04:10:47 PM »
What's strange about it?

It's entirely crimson.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2369 on: October 28, 2018, 04:20:00 PM »
Does the red represent Russia, or the blood of Christ, or both? Or is it just they liked the color?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2370 on: October 28, 2018, 04:24:51 PM »
Does the red represent Russia, or the blood of Christ, or both? Or is it just they liked the color?

I kind of think it has something to do with the rather common presence in some icons, particularly Old Believer ones in the 19th century, of red skin for Saints and Angels (There is at least one icon with an entirely red Theotokos).

I personally think it probably has to do with the fire of the Holy Spirit, as the style of coloration similar to icons of the flaming chariot of St. Elijah.
“God,”
The words rumbled:
“There is much suffering,
But the church is alive. "

 “How long, Archpriest, are we to suffer thus?” I answered: “Until our very death, Markovna!” And she replied, with a sigh: “So be it, Petrovich, let us plod on.” - Life of Avvakum by Himself

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2371 on: October 28, 2018, 04:56:44 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2372 on: October 28, 2018, 05:04:36 PM »
Maybe they just really liked using red.  It was common enough not to be strange.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2373 on: October 29, 2018, 06:22:51 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2374 on: October 29, 2018, 06:27:32 PM »
“God,”
The words rumbled:
“There is much suffering,
But the church is alive. "

 “How long, Archpriest, are we to suffer thus?” I answered: “Until our very death, Markovna!” And she replied, with a sigh: “So be it, Petrovich, let us plod on.” - Life of Avvakum by Himself

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2375 on: October 29, 2018, 06:39:00 PM »
Those are angels holding up her crown.

It's a small picture, of course she's going to look "short."

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2376 on: October 29, 2018, 06:47:55 PM »
I think you’re missing what’s strange...
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2377 on: October 29, 2018, 07:02:19 PM »
I think you’re missing what’s strange...

Please tell me, actually. I can't see it
“God,”
The words rumbled:
“There is much suffering,
But the church is alive. "

 “How long, Archpriest, are we to suffer thus?” I answered: “Until our very death, Markovna!” And she replied, with a sigh: “So be it, Petrovich, let us plod on.” - Life of Avvakum by Himself

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2378 on: October 29, 2018, 07:11:55 PM »
She's not holding the Christ Child?
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a simple slow-growing plant that typically forms a low crustlike, leaflike, or branching growth on rocks, walls, and trees.
2.
a skin disease in which small pimples or bumps occur close together.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2380 on: October 29, 2018, 07:52:24 PM »
Licheń Stary is a village in Poland.  What's starnge about that?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2381 on: October 29, 2018, 09:44:14 PM »
That is some much needed context. Thank you.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2382 on: October 30, 2018, 04:38:50 AM »
Depiction from Licheń is a copy of a painting from Rokitno preprated by artists from Netherlands. However, the Licheń version is bit more Eastern, as it's done by Polish, and here influences of East and West have been always mixing and appearing.


Anyway, now the Licheń sanctuary is treated as a symbol of religious kitch.



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2383 on: October 30, 2018, 06:08:07 PM »


A strangely realistic icon of St. Alexei, Metropolitan of Moscow.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2384 on: October 30, 2018, 06:49:00 PM »
Please resize that, it takes up a ton of space. :)
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