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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2250 on: July 07, 2018, 03:08:13 PM »
That seems very plausible.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2251 on: July 07, 2018, 07:38:49 PM »
In the first picture (the icon), the saint is just wearing a monastic mantle, which is brown (unlike black in modern days), not an abbot's or bishop's mantiya.  Although an abbot's mantiya is typically black, there seems to be some leeway with color for abbesses.

Here is the abbess of a Georgian monastery:

Her mantiya is purple. Just note, there are no stripes as there would be for a bishop as in the icon of the Theotokos that Jackson02 posted.
Oh it's definitely just brown. Maybe reddish brown, but I just wanted to find an icon of a monastic to illustrate that their mantles don't see to   portrayed as black like LBK said.

Monastics do sometimes wear more ornate or at least non-black mantiyas though.



I think in this case Metropolitan Amphilochios may have simply lent his own mantiya for the photograph.
That seems to happen at enthronements, since I found another picture just like it.

I have no idea what "proper" procedure is at the enthronement of an abbess, but maybe they are traditionally given the bishop's mantiya to wear during the service as respect?

Whatever the case, it seems like that's what the icon might have been trying to capture. And like I said, it doesn't strike me as outrageously wrong just...unnecessary. But definitely visually strange as the thread title implies!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2252 on: July 07, 2018, 09:16:48 PM »
There are a lot of monastic saints that were simple monks and they are depicted with a brown monastic mantle...nothing denoting any authority, just clothes.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2253 on: July 07, 2018, 11:28:19 PM »

Oh it's definitely just brown. Maybe reddish brown, but I just wanted to find an icon of a monastic to illustrate that their mantles don't see to   portrayed as black like LBK said.


Black is usually associated with evil or spiritual darkness in iconography, so monastic dress, including monastic mantles, is rarely painted in black. Browns, muted greens, dark blue, and other somber colors are the norm.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2254 on: July 08, 2018, 05:40:59 AM »
Today, being at the Liturgy, I thought that the Most Holy Theotokos is not only igumenia of the Mount Athos, but we refer to Her as "Władyczyca" (Vladichitsa) in Church Slavonic, Despeina in Greek. So it's like addresing to bishop (Władyka, Despota) - Master.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2255 on: July 08, 2018, 08:29:33 AM »
Today, being at the Liturgy, I thought that the Most Holy Theotokos is not only igumenia of the Mount Athos, but we refer to Her as "Władyczyca" (Vladichitsa) in Church Slavonic, Despeina in Greek. So it's like addresing to bishop (Władyka, Despota) - Master.

Despoina is a title of honor, equivalent to the English Mistress (the uncorrupted meaning). Despoina finds its way into even modern Greek, and is a title given to lay women, as Mistress is. For instance, oikodespoina = lady/mistress of the house. The male equivalent is oikodespotis.

To suggest that this title of the Mother of God gives her a kind of episcopal authority is something of a stretch.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2256 on: July 08, 2018, 09:11:52 AM »
Today, being at the Liturgy, I thought that the Most Holy Theotokos is not only igumenia of the Mount Athos, but we refer to Her as "Władyczyca" (Vladichitsa) in Church Slavonic, Despeina in Greek. So it's like addresing to bishop (Władyka, Despota) - Master.

Despoina is a title of honor, equivalent to the English Mistress (the uncorrupted meaning). Despoina finds its way into even modern Greek, and is a title given to lay women, as Mistress is. For instance, oikodespoina = lady/mistress of the house. The male equivalent is oikodespotis.

To suggest that this title of the Mother of God gives her a kind of episcopal authority is something of a stretch.
No, no episcopal authority. But a kind of authority. And reverence that in words is similar to the bishop's one, but, actually, higher. Maybe I haven't put it clerarly.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2257 on: July 10, 2018, 08:30:37 AM »
The first icon I have ever seen with a Lithuanian inscription



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2258 on: July 10, 2018, 05:38:08 PM »
^^ it's not strange
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2259 on: July 11, 2018, 07:35:07 AM »
^^ it's not strange

But the inscription is in Lithuanian and not slavonic!!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2260 on: July 11, 2018, 05:10:09 PM »
^^ it's not strange

But the inscription is in Lithuanian and not slavonic!!
There are icon inscriptions in Greek, Arabic, Korean, French, English, Coptic, Serbian, Polish etc. not only in Church Slavonic.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2261 on: July 11, 2018, 05:16:32 PM »
^^ it's not strange

But the inscription is in Lithuanian and not slavonic!!

Orthodoxy isn't like Roman Catholicism where everything is in latin. In Orthodoxy, the icon is usually in the people's language. If you go to Google Images you can find icons in various languages.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2262 on: July 11, 2018, 08:18:42 PM »
^^ it's not strange

But the inscription is in Lithuanian and not slavonic!!
There are icon inscriptions in Greek, Arabic, Korean, French, English, Coptic, Serbian, Polish etc. not only in Church Slavonic.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2263 on: July 11, 2018, 09:54:47 PM »
^^ it's not strange

But the inscription is in Lithuanian and not slavonic!!

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I think you have a very serious problem with how you perceive ethnicity in the Church.

Although for me undoubtedly my favorite liturgical tradition is Russian Orthodoxy (I'm a Slavophile, sorry) - for me, subjectively, it's just the prettiest and how I connect spiritually - in fact, I felt like the Theotokos was personally watching me when I visited the closest ROCOR Church one time - not every Orthodox Slavic person is Russian Orthodox, and each have their own liturgical traditions that are unique to their culture. When you have this attitude of forcing legitimate Orthodox traditions to disappear in the name of supporting your own, you create schism. Here in America, we have a Carpatho-Russian (a subgroup of Ukrainians) diocese that was under the Russian Orthodox Church, but they actually broke away and joined the Ecumenical Patriarch because of this attitude which you have showcased, as they felt like their own cultural heritage was under attack.

The sanctity of the Russian tradition is not being threatened right now, and by no means should you be forcing it on people who are minding their own business. In the Church, there is no Jew or Greek, but we are one in Christ.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2264 on: July 12, 2018, 08:30:45 AM »
Here in America, we have a Carpatho-Russian (a subgroup of Ukrainians) diocese
I suppose some of its believers (and I mean cradles) would be offended by calling them "a subgroup of Ukrainians". Try to say something like that to Polish Lemkos, and just wait one second for the reaction.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2265 on: July 12, 2018, 08:42:04 AM »
... Wow that was deep!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2266 on: July 12, 2018, 05:46:16 PM »
Here in America, we have a Carpatho-Russian (a subgroup of Ukrainians) diocese
I suppose some of its believers (and I mean cradles) would be offended by calling them "a subgroup of Ukrainians". Try to say something like that to Polish Lemkos, and just wait one second for the reaction.


Edit: Sindarin looks amazing!  ;D

I'm sure of it - I was thinking of the quickest way to get my point across at the cost of respect, and I should've been less ignorant.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2267 on: July 12, 2018, 08:38:46 PM »

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2268 on: July 12, 2018, 09:00:09 PM »
^^ it's not strange

But the inscription is in Lithuanian and not slavonic!!

Orthodox Slav, I love your posts, and agree with a good portion of them, but I'm gonna be dead serious with you.

I think you have a very serious problem with how you perceive ethnicity in the Church.

Although for me undoubtedly my favorite liturgical tradition is Russian Orthodoxy (I'm a Slavophile, sorry) - for me, subjectively, it's just the prettiest and how I connect spiritually - in fact, I felt like the Theotokos was personally watching me when I visited the closest ROCOR Church one time - not every Orthodox Slavic person is Russian Orthodox, and each have their own liturgical traditions that are unique to their culture. When you have this attitude of forcing legitimate Orthodox traditions to disappear in the name of supporting your own, you create schism. Here in America, we have a Carpatho-Russian (a subgroup of Ukrainians) diocese that was under the Russian Orthodox Church, but they actually broke away and joined the Ecumenical Patriarch because of this attitude which you have showcased, as they felt like their own cultural heritage was under attack.

The sanctity of the Russian tradition is not being threatened right now, and by no means should you be forcing it on people who are minding their own business. In the Church, there is no Jew or Greek, but we are one in Christ.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2269 on: July 13, 2018, 03:09:09 PM »
Here in America, we have a Carpatho-Russian (a subgroup of Ukrainians) diocese
I suppose some of its believers (and I mean cradles) would be offended by calling them "a subgroup of Ukrainians". Try to say something like that to Polish Lemkos, and just wait one second for the reaction.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2270 on: July 13, 2018, 07:26:30 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2271 on: July 19, 2018, 11:23:30 AM »
Saint Elias. Well, more of his icons are unusual.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2272 on: July 19, 2018, 12:34:10 PM »
Saint Elias. Well, more of his icons are unusual.



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2273 on: July 19, 2018, 01:26:51 PM »
Saint Elias. Well, more of his icons are unusual.



He kept his cloak.

In an alternate ending, Elisha does NOT get to curse local children in God’s name for ridiculing his baldness so that God sends bears to maul the kids.  He just has to deal with insecurity and generalized anxiety.

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« Reply #2274 on: July 19, 2018, 01:53:06 PM »
Saint Elias. Well, more of his icons are unusual.



He kept his cloak.

In an alternate ending, Elisha does NOT get to curse local children in God’s name for ridiculing his baldness so that God sends bears to maul the kids.  He just has to deal with insecurity and generalized anxiety.

Wow, what translation is this?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2275 on: July 23, 2018, 07:46:42 AM »
Has anyone seen something like that? The text (not visible there) was from Ezekiel 37, 5

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2276 on: July 23, 2018, 09:06:59 AM »
I'm confused.
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« Reply #2277 on: July 23, 2018, 12:27:54 PM »

Can you guess what’s strange about this one?
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« Reply #2278 on: July 23, 2018, 12:29:50 PM »

Can you guess what’s strange about this one?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2280 on: July 23, 2018, 01:10:43 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2281 on: July 23, 2018, 01:42:51 PM »

Can you guess what’s strange about this one?
Answer: I painted it!

You're very talented!
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« Reply #2282 on: July 23, 2018, 03:12:09 PM »

Can you guess what’s strange about this one?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2283 on: July 23, 2018, 08:06:24 PM »
I mean uncovered hair of the Theotokos:



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« Reply #2285 on: July 27, 2018, 12:41:34 PM »


Honestly this one reminds me of the ancient tradition of enamelwork in icons. The technique isn't there, but the style imo could potentially be okay.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2286 on: July 31, 2018, 04:02:53 PM »
My hand painted Bulgarian icon of Jesus Christ!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2287 on: July 31, 2018, 04:29:47 PM »
My hand painted Bulgarian icon of Jesus Christ!



Nice job! Have you considered being an icon painter?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2288 on: August 01, 2018, 08:43:37 PM »


Priest and Levite with halos?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2289 on: August 01, 2018, 09:52:56 PM »


More of a lubok than an icon, but has an interesting representation of Christ as Holy Wisdom, but with the halo typically used for God the Father in icons.
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 “How long, Archpriest, are we to suffer thus?” I answered: “Until our very death, Markovna!” And she replied, with a sigh: “So be it, Petrovich, let us plod on.” - Life of Avvakum by Himself

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2290 on: August 06, 2018, 09:00:12 AM »
Gornjepolimski Martyrs

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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2292 on: August 06, 2018, 03:36:12 PM »
Gornjepolimski Martyrs



This is really striking. I think it really gives an idea of the magnitude of the martyrs.
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“God,”
The words rumbled:
“There is much suffering,
But the church is alive. "

 “How long, Archpriest, are we to suffer thus?” I answered: “Until our very death, Markovna!” And she replied, with a sigh: “So be it, Petrovich, let us plod on.” - Life of Avvakum by Himself

Nastasya, Nastasya, be
patient and do not cry:
Not every happiness
Comes in the clothing of fortune.

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St. Ambrose, pray for us!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2293 on: August 06, 2018, 04:15:00 PM »
Gornjepolimski Martyrs



This is really striking. I think it really gives an idea of the magnitude of the martyrs.
+1

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2294 on: September 03, 2018, 08:18:38 PM »
St Andre Rublev.