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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2205 on: July 03, 2018, 08:01:27 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2206 on: July 03, 2018, 08:07:52 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2207 on: July 03, 2018, 08:09:52 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2208 on: July 03, 2018, 08:10:44 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

As a member of the Finnish Orthodox Church Outside Finland, I shall not.

French Orthodox Church Outside France, here!

Oh, no!  Vagante!
Russian Orthodox church  here!
« Last Edit: July 03, 2018, 08:10:59 PM by Orthodox_Slav »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2209 on: July 03, 2018, 08:14:52 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

As a member of the Finnish Orthodox Church Outside Finland, I shall not.

French Orthodox Church Outside France, here!

Oh, no!  Vagante!
Russian Orthodox church  here!

But not Russian Orthodox Church A Broad - Agafangel!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2210 on: July 03, 2018, 09:55:52 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

Too late buddy.  :police:

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2211 on: July 03, 2018, 09:56:53 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

As a member of the Finnish Orthodox Church Outside Finland, I shall not.

French Orthodox Church Outside France, here!

Oh, no!  Vagante!
Russian Orthodox church  here!

But not Russian Orthodox Church A Broad - Agafangel!

The correct spelling is “Agathangel” thank you very much.  ::)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2212 on: July 03, 2018, 09:57:54 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

As a member of the Finnish Orthodox Church Outside Finland, I shall not.

French Orthodox Church Outside France, here!

Oh, no!  Vagante!
Russian Orthodox church  here!

But not Russian Orthodox Church A Broad - Agafangel!

The correct spelling is “Agathangel”, thank you very much.  ::)

If you’re going to be that guy, why not Agathangelos?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2213 on: July 03, 2018, 10:00:52 PM »
That must be the Theotokos in the thing the angel is holding on the left. Is that St. Philip on the right?

Nah, that there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

you can tell by the halo its has got a cross inside of it!

That’s good to know!  I just asked the icon and heard a voice identify itself, but your method is much easier.

oh, you always make me chuckle Mor Ephrem.

Why do you laugh at his God-given abilities?

Please do not reveal the secret...

As a member of the Finnish Orthodox Church Outside Finland, I shall not.

French Orthodox Church Outside France, here!

Oh, no!  Vagante!
Russian Orthodox church  here!

But not Russian Orthodox Church A Broad - Agafangel!

The correct spelling is “Agathangel”, thank you very much.  ::)

If you’re going to be that guy, why not Agathangelos?

Yeah, I’m not too good at this whole “Spelling Nazi” thing am I?  :)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2214 on: July 04, 2018, 07:21:57 AM »
this icon is from the POC its a Lemko icon

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2215 on: July 04, 2018, 07:45:56 AM »
^^ Yeah, many of Lemko icons were painted by local artists, who had good intentions, but not always good skills. Anyway, there are many nice Lemko icons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2216 on: July 04, 2018, 07:50:04 AM »
^^ Yeah, many of Lemko icons were painted by local artists, who had good intentions, but not always good skills. Anyway, there are many nice Lemko icons.

yeah here's the website where I got it from it has a couple more Lemko icons!
http://www.lemko.org/books/ikony/index.html

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2217 on: July 04, 2018, 10:18:44 AM »
^^ Yeah, many of Lemko icons were painted by local artists, who had good intentions, but not always good skills. Anyway, there are many nice Lemko icons.

Indeed, there are many talented Lemko painters in general; Andy Warhol was a Lemko and a practicing Ruthenian Catholic until his death. 

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2218 on: July 04, 2018, 10:58:24 AM »
^^ Yeah, many of Lemko icons were painted by local artists, who had good intentions, but not always good skills. Anyway, there are many nice Lemko icons.

Indeed, there are many talented Lemko painters in general; Andy Warhol was a Lemko and a practicing Ruthenian Catholic until his death.

andy Warhol was a Lemko! I guess you do learn something new every day!!!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2219 on: July 04, 2018, 11:52:12 AM »
this icon is from the POC its a Lemko icon



I love it!

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2220 on: July 04, 2018, 12:54:46 PM »
Me too. It seems to me there was a lot of effort put into it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2221 on: July 04, 2018, 01:04:23 PM »
^^ Yeah, many of Lemko icons were painted by local artists, who had good intentions, but not always good skills. Anyway, there are many nice Lemko icons.

Indeed, there are many talented Lemko painters in general; Andy Warhol was a Lemko and a practicing Ruthenian Catholic until his death.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2222 on: July 04, 2018, 01:31:56 PM »
this icon is from the POC its a Lemko icon



It kind of looks like a mosaic you’d see in an ancient Spanish church.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2223 on: July 04, 2018, 02:16:05 PM »
So it's an orthodox icon?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2224 on: July 04, 2018, 02:22:02 PM »
A painted icon of Christ by the well-known monk Arseniye Yovanovich (Arsenije Jovanovic) who is a famous preacher in the Serbian Orthodox Church.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2225 on: July 04, 2018, 02:27:42 PM »
A painted icon of Christ by the well-known monk Arseniye Yovanovich (Arsenije Jovanovic) who is a famous preacher in the Serbian Orthodox Church.


why is his skin blue?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2226 on: July 04, 2018, 02:34:43 PM »
Cause even Jesus felt blue at points.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2227 on: July 04, 2018, 02:38:26 PM »
Cause even Jesus felt blue at points.

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this is funny :) but seriously why is his skin blue?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2228 on: July 04, 2018, 03:31:26 PM »
A painted icon of Christ by the well-known monk Arseniye Yovanovich (Arsenije Jovanovic) who is a famous preacher in the Serbian Orthodox Church.


why is his skin blue?

He has Argyria.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2229 on: July 04, 2018, 03:34:45 PM »
Can we please refrain from making Our Lord the subject of jokes?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2230 on: July 04, 2018, 04:13:28 PM »
*snipped*

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That's Slavonic for Lord have Mercy.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2231 on: July 04, 2018, 04:17:05 PM »
A painted icon of Christ by the well-known monk Arseniye Yovanovich (Arsenije Jovanovic) who is a famous preacher in the Serbian Orthodox Church.


why is his skin blue?

I would guess it is intended to represent him coming in the night.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2232 on: July 04, 2018, 04:28:03 PM »
*snipped*

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That's Slavonic for Lord have Mercy.

woohoo, Slavonic!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2233 on: July 04, 2018, 09:48:23 PM »
this icon is from the POC its a Lemko icon


Part of me really likes this, part of me really doesn't.

At the very least, it's really visually interesting.

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« Reply #2234 on: July 04, 2018, 11:28:18 PM »
The shape of the men's faces is a little strange. Otherwise, I like it.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2235 on: July 05, 2018, 02:29:27 AM »
The pointy shapes look a bit like Mozarabic/Romanesque art somehow...



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2236 on: July 05, 2018, 11:53:47 AM »
The pointy shapes look a bit like Mozarabic/Romanesque art somehow...





That's what I said!

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« Reply #2237 on: July 05, 2018, 01:18:26 PM »
Just saw it, good one.  ;)  I'm a Mozarabic fanboy.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2238 on: July 06, 2018, 04:09:08 PM »
Just saw it, good one.  ;)  I'm a Mozarabic fanboy.

Who isn't?  :D

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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2240 on: July 06, 2018, 04:17:16 PM »
Just saw it, good one.  ;)  I'm a Mozarabic fanboy.

Who isn't?  :D
The rest of the Iberian Peninsula, apparently.  :(
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2241 on: July 06, 2018, 07:51:14 PM »

This seems like one of the cases where we don't need another variant of icons for the Theotokos, but I guess it's not totally unusual to portray her as an abbess.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2242 on: July 06, 2018, 09:05:00 PM »
Just saw it, good one.  ;)  I'm a Mozarabic fanboy.

Who isn't?  :D
The rest of the Iberian Peninsula, apparently.  :(

That's just sad.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2243 on: July 06, 2018, 10:23:48 PM »

This seems like one of the cases where we don't need another variant of icons for the Theotokos, but I guess it's not totally unusual to portray her as an abbess.

I thought she was being portrayed as some kind of female Patriarch of Constantinople.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2244 on: July 06, 2018, 11:36:18 PM »
The True Vine icons are odd to me. I mean I get what they're saying, but still:



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2245 on: July 06, 2018, 11:49:59 PM »
That first one, of the two: What the?  :o
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2246 on: July 06, 2018, 11:56:00 PM »

This seems like one of the cases where we don't need another variant of icons for the Theotokos, but I guess it's not totally unusual to portray her as an abbess.

I thought she was being portrayed as some kind of female Patriarch of Constantinople.

You're not far wrong. There is a tradition of calling the Mother of God the Abbess of Athos, as she is the patron of the Holy Mountain. Athos is also known as Panaghia's Garden.

But the mantle of an abbess is plain black. The Mother of God is shown wearing a bishop's mantle. I'm sure it was painted with the best of intentions, but it gives her a status she simply does not have.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2247 on: July 07, 2018, 01:44:00 AM »

This seems like one of the cases where we don't need another variant of icons for the Theotokos, but I guess it's not totally unusual to portray her as an abbess.

I thought she was being portrayed as some kind of female Patriarch of Constantinople.

You're not far wrong. There is a tradition of calling the Mother of God the Abbess of Athos, as she is the patron of the Holy Mountain. Athos is also known as Panaghia's Garden.

But the mantle of an abbess is plain black. The Mother of God is shown wearing a bishop's mantle. I'm sure it was painted with the best of intentions, but it gives her a status she simply does not have.
Monastics do sometimes wear more ornate or at least non-black mantiyas though.




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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2248 on: July 07, 2018, 12:03:53 PM »
In the first picture (the icon), the saint is just wearing a monastic mantle, which is brown (unlike black in modern days), not an abbot's or bishop's mantiya.  Although an abbot's mantiya is typically black, there seems to be some leeway with color for abbesses.

Here is the abbess of a Georgian monastery:



Her mantiya is purple. Just note, there are no stripes as there would be for a bishop as in the icon of the Theotokos that Jackson02 posted.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #2249 on: July 07, 2018, 02:43:54 PM »

Monastics do sometimes wear more ornate or at least non-black mantiyas though.



I think in this case Metropolitan Amphilochios may have simply lent his own mantiya for the photograph.