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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1755 on: December 06, 2016, 03:48:31 PM »
A miracle of our times.

Soon replicas of the legendary Fortrosskaya icon will be crowding the shelves of parish bookstores.

Since it is of a male (St Peter the Aleut), wouldn't it be Fortrossky?   ;)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1756 on: December 06, 2016, 03:50:31 PM »
A miracle of our times.

Soon replicas of the legendary Fortrosskaya icon will be crowding the shelves of parish bookstores.

Since it is of a male (St Peter the Aleut), wouldn't it be Fortrossky?   ;)

Icon is of feminine gender.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1757 on: December 06, 2016, 03:51:58 PM »
A miracle of our times.

Soon replicas of the legendary Fortrosskaya icon will be crowding the shelves of parish bookstores.

someone is writing an akathyst already.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1758 on: December 06, 2016, 04:06:05 PM »
A miracle of our times.

Soon replicas of the legendary Fortrosskaya icon will be crowding the shelves of parish bookstores.

someone is writing an akathyst already.

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Wouldn't it be imprint of the heavenly Mac?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1759 on: December 06, 2016, 04:20:21 PM »
Where did you find about that piece of awesome?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1760 on: December 06, 2016, 04:52:49 PM »
Where did you find about that piece of awesome?

It was brought to church on Sunday by the Ft Ross docent who found it.  She had previously discussed and shown it to the abbess of a local monastery and our clergy.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1761 on: December 06, 2016, 05:09:21 PM »
That's nuts. It must have taken quite a bit of work. I'd love to hear the artist's rationale- hopefully he'll come forward.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1762 on: December 06, 2016, 05:14:05 PM »
Another attempt.

LOL.

It kept saying the file was too big when I tried uploading from my iphone...even though it is only 92K when I upload to FB then download to my desktop.

Sorry.  I was LOLing at the icon, not your attempt to share it. 

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1763 on: December 06, 2016, 05:14:24 PM »
That's nuts. It must have taken quite a bit of work. I'd love to hear the artist's rationale- hopefully he'll come forward.

What if it's "not made by hands"? 

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« Reply #1764 on: December 06, 2016, 05:35:10 PM »
That's nuts. It must have taken quite a bit of work. I'd love to hear the artist's rationale- hopefully he'll come forward.

What if it's "not made by hands"?

And/or...not made by a sane person?  (You know....coping the surrounding Mac form of wiki instead of just the image)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1765 on: December 06, 2016, 05:46:56 PM »
That's nuts. It must have taken quite a bit of work. I'd love to hear the artist's rationale- hopefully he'll come forward.

What if it's "not made by hands"?

And/or...not made by a sane person?  (You know....coping the surrounding Mac form of wiki instead of just the image)
maybe they wanted to get it more realistic
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1766 on: December 06, 2016, 05:50:22 PM »
It's not unseen in icons to have a story about it written around it.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1767 on: December 06, 2016, 06:41:33 PM »


Ugh! This icon is clearly uncanonical.
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It lacks the proper IC XC and cruciform halo.  :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1768 on: December 06, 2016, 06:50:40 PM »
Another attempt.



The real question is, what is going on in this favorites bar? "...cermaics, 1stdibs, Design is fin...a(o?)ry is mine." :o

Update: 1stdibs is an antique store. Third is likely "Design is fine. History is mine." An antiques blog.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1769 on: December 06, 2016, 07:05:07 PM »
So we just have to look for a crazy Orthodox Christian in Sonoma County who likes antiquity and can paint.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1770 on: December 06, 2016, 08:03:08 PM »
Another attempt.



The real question is, what is going on in this favorites bar? "...cermaics, 1stdibs, Design is fin...a(o?)ry is mine." :o

Update: 1stdibs is an antique store. Third is likely "Design is fine. History is mine." An antiques blog.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1771 on: December 14, 2016, 03:26:15 AM »
lol

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1772 on: December 14, 2016, 11:00:31 AM »


Ugh! This icon is clearly uncanonical.
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It lacks the proper IC XC and cruciform halo.  :P

The Trump hands are unsettling.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1773 on: December 14, 2016, 11:08:56 AM »
lol





Re: The first one, I have seen some advocating for Dmitri (Royster)'s canonization. (I have no opinion, since I know little about him except that he retired not long after I started attending a DOS church.) I've been watching with one eye for the Internet to crank out an icon of him and a couple of other celebrated American Orthodox who died in recent years.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1774 on: December 14, 2016, 11:11:44 AM »
What's strange about the St Dmitri of Rostov icon? (aside from it being rather bland)

On second thought, he is blessing with two fingers, which would be unlikely.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1775 on: December 14, 2016, 11:20:41 AM »
What's strange about the St Dmitri of Rostov icon? (aside from it being rather bland)

On second thought, he is blessing with two fingers, which would be unlikely.

I think it was in comparison to the one "of Dallas."
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1776 on: December 14, 2016, 12:44:14 PM »
Just Google icons of St. Dmitri of Rostov and tell me what you see.  Im on my phone, so its a bit hard to get the image tag right.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1777 on: December 14, 2016, 12:45:15 PM »
What's strange about the St Dmitri of Rostov icon? (aside from it being rather bland)

On second thought, he is blessing with two fingers, which would be unlikely.

I think it was in comparison to the one "of Dallas."

Yes.  The "of Rostov" icon is in the Cathedral in Dallas, which gives me a hearty laff.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1778 on: December 14, 2016, 02:10:19 PM »
Well, there is a limitted number of ways one can paint bald old men with gray bears. Or any other type of person, actually. All women on icons also look the same.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1779 on: December 14, 2016, 04:06:08 PM »
Well, there is a limitted number of ways one can paint bald old men with gray bears. Or any other type of person, actually. All women on icons also look the same.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1780 on: December 14, 2016, 09:48:08 PM »
The person who wrote the second icon probably just messed it up when writing the name, St. Dmitri of Rostov looks very different in other icons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1781 on: December 15, 2016, 01:11:04 AM »
The person who wrote the second icon probably just messed it up when writing the name, St. Dmitri of Rostov looks very different in other icons.

No, it was quite intentional.  The same person painted both.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1782 on: December 15, 2016, 01:20:51 AM »
wait, so why did he do that?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1783 on: December 15, 2016, 01:37:21 AM »
I don't know.  Maybe scrape off "of Rostov" when the time comes.  Saves time.
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« Reply #1784 on: December 15, 2016, 04:10:36 AM »
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1785 on: December 15, 2016, 04:13:04 AM »
What's strange about the St Dmitri of Rostov icon? (aside from it being rather bland)


Not only bland, but this is how he is usually depicted (I've never seen an "old man" looking version of him):
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1786 on: December 15, 2016, 04:42:21 AM »


The depiction is a bit icky, and not an essential detail, but it does have a reason. From the life if the saint:

Thrown into prison, Paraskevi asked God to give her the strength to face the terror which awaited her. Antonius again continued the torture by having her hung by her hair and her hands and arms burned with torches. The Saint suffered greatly, but had the will not to submit to the pain. Antonius then prepared a large kettle of oil and tar, boiled the mixture and then had Paraskevi immersed in it. Miraculously she stood as if she were being cooled rather than burned. Angered, Antonius thought that she was using magic to keep the contents cool, but the Saint told him that he could test it. She took some of the boiling liquid and threw it in the Emperor's face. It burned his eyes and blinded him. She stepped out of the kettle and went to Antonius, telling him that only the Christian God could cure him. Immediately, he regained his sight and humbled by the miracle he freed the Saint and ended all persecutions against the Christians throughout the Roman Empire.

St Paraskevi's intercession is often invoked by people with eye ailments.

Eyes painted into a platter are surely better than this sort of depiction. The paintings are of St Lucia of Syracuse, who was blinded as part of her martyrdom:





Detail of the above:



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1787 on: December 15, 2016, 06:50:18 AM »
Unsettling.
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« Reply #1788 on: December 15, 2016, 08:41:32 AM »
Eyes as flowers - shudder.
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« Reply #1789 on: December 15, 2016, 10:33:42 AM »
That rules. You guys have no taste.
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« Reply #1790 on: December 15, 2016, 02:39:21 PM »
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« Reply #1791 on: December 15, 2016, 07:23:53 PM »
Why is St. Raphael standing on a fish?
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« Reply #1792 on: December 15, 2016, 07:52:24 PM »
Why is St. Raphael standing on a fish?

The fish is part of the story of Tobias and the archangel, in the OT book of Tobit.  :)
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« Reply #1794 on: December 16, 2016, 02:20:18 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1795 on: January 13, 2017, 03:09:10 PM »


Is this a common thing, icons of Adam and Eve? With halos? Are the considered saints in the Orthodox Church?
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« Reply #1797 on: January 13, 2017, 07:53:11 PM »


Is this a common thing, icons of Adam and Eve? With halos? Are the considered saints in the Orthodox Church?

Icons of Adam and Eve are not common. However, Adam and Eve, along with the other OT figures who form Christ's genealogy, are commemorated liturgically in the Sunday of the Forefathers, prior to the Nativity of Christ. Therefore icons of them are fine.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1798 on: January 13, 2017, 08:00:08 PM »


Is this a common thing, icons of Adam and Eve? With halos? Are the considered saints in the Orthodox Church?

Icons of Adam and Eve are not common. However, Adam and Eve, along with the other OT figures who form Christ's genealogy, are commemorated liturgically in the Sunday of the Forefathers, prior to the Nativity of Christ. Therefore icons of them are fine.

Interesting, so it is not common see them venerated individually. but in the context of Christ's ancestors. It is a showing of God's mercy, that even those who started the chain of sin can be made venerable.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1799 on: January 14, 2017, 05:00:30 PM »


Can't see the picture.
Probably the link has expired. It was working one month ago.





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