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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1575 on: May 18, 2016, 01:48:43 PM »


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I feel like this has been talked about before.

I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.
And why should that stop anyone from liking something?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1576 on: May 18, 2016, 01:51:08 PM »
I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.

Have you recently accepted a position in the media or public relations offices of her administration?  :P

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1577 on: May 18, 2016, 03:47:02 PM »


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I feel like this has been talked about before.

I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.
And why should that stop anyone from liking something?

I never said that it did. I just know that, for better or worse, LBK is our resident iconography official.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1578 on: May 18, 2016, 03:47:41 PM »
I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.

Have you recently accepted a position in the media or public relations offices of her administration?  :P

No, but I would if one was offered. ;D
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1579 on: May 18, 2016, 03:52:34 PM »


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I feel like this has been talked about before.

I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.
And why should that stop anyone from liking something?

I never said that it did. I just know that, for better or worse, LBK is our resident iconography official.
No, LBK just claims to be our resident iconography official. I'm not aware, though, that anyone has ever verified her claims to expertise in this field, and she has thus far been reluctant to name anyone who can.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1580 on: May 18, 2016, 04:37:24 PM »


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I feel like this has been talked about before.

I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.
And why should that stop anyone from liking something?

I never said that it did. I just know that, for better or worse, LBK is our resident iconography official.
No, LBK just claims to be our resident iconography official. I'm not aware, though, that anyone has ever verified her claims to expertise in this field, and she has thus far been reluctant to name anyone who can.

I think that she is quite knowledgeable, much more than any other poster. She is as close to an expert that we have. However,experts are at times wrong, as she may be from time to time.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1581 on: May 18, 2016, 04:59:00 PM »
If expertise consists in regurgitating simplistic opinions as dogma without any citation (apart from occasional references to canons found on the internet) then, yes, LBK is an expert.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1582 on: May 18, 2016, 05:00:00 PM »
Maybe just maybe.......

we could stop turning every icon posted and discussed into a discussion about a person.

If that person wants to contribute, let them, but if not, just discuss without mentioning because some people can't keep from turning it into a discussion of the person and not icons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1583 on: May 18, 2016, 08:09:02 PM »


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I feel like this has been talked about before.

I like the icon.

And IIRC, LBK doesn't.
And why should that stop anyone from liking something?

I never said that it did. I just know that, for better or worse, LBK is our resident iconography official.
No, LBK just claims to be our resident iconography official. I'm not aware, though, that anyone has ever verified her claims to expertise in this field, and she has thus far been reluctant to name anyone who can.

Actually, I can support her claim.  I know for a fact that she knows of what she speaks.  I will not disclose more, as she seems hesitant to reveal more information about herself, and it's not my place to disclose information she wishes to keep private.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1584 on: May 20, 2016, 10:02:52 AM »
Beside discussion about LBK...



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1585 on: May 20, 2016, 10:14:42 AM »
Actually, I can support her claim.  I know for a fact that she knows of what she speaks.  I will not disclose more, as she seems hesitant to reveal more information about herself, and it's not my place to disclose information she wishes to keep private.

Well, that settles it then!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1586 on: May 20, 2016, 10:16:20 AM »
Beside discussion about LBK...






I like the second one for its textures....I can imagine what that blanket must have looked like in real life...

but i have no idea what it is of....etc..... ;)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1587 on: May 20, 2016, 11:05:40 AM »
Beside discussion about LBK...





The first one is an icon of the Thetokos as a Protectress usually found in Russia. The wings refer to this scripture found in chapter 12 of Revelations.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1588 on: May 20, 2016, 01:26:22 PM »
Why isn't St. Constantine depicted with a halo there? Is it because it was at some specific point of his life when he hadn't been baptised yet?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1589 on: May 20, 2016, 01:46:42 PM »
Why isn't St. Constantine depicted with a halo there? Is it because it was at some specific point of his life when he hadn't been baptised yet?

I imagine he wasn't very saintly when he was about to condemn wrongfully accused men to death without trial. 

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1590 on: May 22, 2016, 04:02:57 PM »
I think it's strange a bit, I mean, the giant Jesus in comparision of the rest depicted people
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1591 on: May 22, 2016, 04:06:08 PM »
I think it's strange a bit, I mean, the giant Jesus in comparision of the rest depicted people

Still on people's size, the dwarves on most icons of the Theophany have always estranged me. Does anyone know the theological explanation?

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1592 on: May 22, 2016, 05:19:58 PM »

Still on people's size, the dwarves on most icons of the Theophany have always estranged me. Does anyone know the theological explanation?



Personifications of the sea and the river Jordan.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1593 on: May 24, 2016, 11:06:36 PM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1594 on: May 25, 2016, 09:50:46 AM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1595 on: May 25, 2016, 10:00:03 AM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.

But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right? 

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1596 on: May 25, 2016, 10:01:01 AM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.

But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1597 on: May 25, 2016, 10:12:27 AM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.

But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right?


Not just -a- fish....that really looks like the almighty Salmon, possibly a Coho.

Was Tobias Alaskan? ;)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1598 on: May 25, 2016, 10:35:54 AM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.

But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right?
::) Mor, you never disappoint.

I'm not sure what you mean by your comment.  I'm interpreting that icon in light of opinions certain "experts" have espoused in several threads on the forum.  I don't agree with the logic, but I'm told I'm wrong, so...  :)

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1599 on: May 25, 2016, 10:49:04 AM »

Still on people's size, the dwarves on most icons of the Theophany have always estranged me. Does anyone know the theological explanation?



Personifications of the sea and the river Jordan.
"The sea saw it and fled; Jordan was driven back.
"What troubled you, Sea, that you fled; and you, Jordan, that you were turned back?"
Psalm 113

A fact which our resident "expert" vigorously resisted here.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1600 on: May 25, 2016, 10:57:35 AM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.

But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right?


Not just -a- fish....that really looks like the almighty Salmon, possibly a Coho.

Was Tobias Alaskan? ;)

This is not an icon.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1601 on: May 25, 2016, 11:39:46 AM »
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit

Aren't they the same?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1602 on: May 25, 2016, 12:03:35 PM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit. And you're right. Br. Lentz's icon is the only one I have ever found for sale depicting Tobias. Although I find the stylistic dissonance between the saints themselves and the animals with them displeasing, I wouldn't go far as much to say it's bad on a theological level. Compared to some of the other work of Br. Lentz, this icon is very orthodox.

But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right?
::) Mor, you never disappoint.

I'm not sure what you mean by your comment.  I'm interpreting that icon in light of opinions certain "experts" have espoused in several threads on the forum.  I don't agree with the logic, but I'm told I'm wrong, so...  :)
I'd argue that an mandorla would have to be present to suggest motherhood. :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1603 on: May 25, 2016, 01:16:47 PM »
I'd argue that an mandorla would have to be present to suggest motherhood. :P

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1604 on: June 01, 2016, 03:22:44 PM »
I' aware of icons presenting many scenes, saints etc., but it's really A LOT:
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1605 on: June 01, 2016, 11:16:53 PM »
Well, that's Tobias, not Tobit

Aren't they the same?

Tobit was Tobias' father.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1606 on: June 01, 2016, 11:20:23 PM »
I' aware of icons presenting many scenes, saints etc., but it's really A LOT:


Actually, Year Menaions aren't all that uncommon.
https://russianicons.wordpress.com/2016/02/28/year-icons/
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1607 on: June 02, 2016, 03:37:15 PM »
Ywah, year menanions aren't uncommon, as I wrote (maybe not directly, sorry for htis), but I haven't seen so many feasts and different icons of the Theotokos on one icon; I Wonder how much detaield work it demands..


But, indeed, the one icon you linked it's almost the same as I'd posted, so maybe it  (I mean the type with many feasts, saints etc.) is not so uncommon.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1608 on: June 02, 2016, 04:22:58 PM »
There are so many saints it'll take you a whole year to venerate them all!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1609 on: June 02, 2016, 04:59:17 PM »
This icon looks wrong, not only for the doggy. However, I looked for it because my priest himself said St. Tobit was portrayed with his pet.



I didn't find many icons of his anyway.
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But the icon basically says that the angel Raphael is the mother of Tobias, who is the mother of a fish and a dog, right?

Just the fish.  Dog is "G-O-D" backwards, so he is ever present, yet not touched by Tobias.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1610 on: June 02, 2016, 11:18:25 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1611 on: June 02, 2016, 11:27:14 PM »

St. Tobias's dog is much cuter, if you ask me.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1612 on: June 03, 2016, 05:38:53 AM »


The common features of this image with the Robert Lentz Tobit painting is the clash of painting styles within their respective compositions: abstracted stylised saints and angels with the highly naturalistic renditions of the critters. The salmon is glistening, the dog is photographic, the hare looks warm, soft and cuddly. The dog in the Lentz work is also highly animated - one can almost hear him bark, and he sure looks like he's bouncing up and down as happy dogs so often do.

St Melangell herself is beautifully painted, but there's another problem: the fingers of her right hand are arranged uncomfortably close to that of the IC-XC clerical blessing. She was an abbess, not a priest or bishop.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1613 on: June 04, 2016, 09:21:16 PM »
I'd like to see an icon of Tobias driving away Asmodeus with fish heart and liver (and I better see pyramids and Sphinx in the background)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1614 on: June 06, 2016, 08:10:20 AM »
I'd like to see an icon of Tobias driving away Asmodeus with fish heart and liver (and I better see pyramids and Sphinx in the background)


Sorry, no Sphinx. :P
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1615 on: June 06, 2016, 06:52:45 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1616 on: June 10, 2016, 06:14:47 PM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1617 on: June 13, 2016, 07:13:59 AM »




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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1618 on: June 13, 2016, 01:49:12 PM »
I'd like to see an icon of Tobias driving away Asmodeus with fish heart and liver (and I better see pyramids and Sphinx in the background)


Sorry, no Sphinx. :P

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1619 on: June 16, 2016, 09:08:57 PM »
Kinda different, but I love it.


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