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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1530 on: May 05, 2016, 12:48:05 AM »
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1531 on: May 05, 2016, 02:39:23 PM »
^^ the wounds after the nails made in Paint ???
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1532 on: May 05, 2016, 02:40:05 PM »
Well everyone knows ancient nails were square shaped and not round!
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1533 on: May 05, 2016, 02:53:02 PM »
I heard of a catholic image of 5he transfiguration where he has nail holes because the composer saw it as reflecting his glorified state with the Passion.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1534 on: May 07, 2016, 09:43:34 AM »
Well everyone knows ancient nails were square shaped and not round!

I did't mean the shape, but the way it looks (it's a slight difference) ;)



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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1535 on: May 08, 2016, 02:35:31 PM »


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1536 on: May 08, 2016, 04:31:36 PM »
What does the phrase in the first one say? The saints of... I can't read the rest. :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1537 on: May 08, 2016, 05:04:30 PM »




She is strikingly beautiful (the dark one, on the bottom)
The colorful one had me think "Catholic".
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1538 on: May 09, 2016, 02:07:00 PM »
What does the phrase in the first one say? The saints of... I can't read the rest. :)

Probably:
Οι αγιοι της Νησου Λευκαδος
The saints of the Island of Lefkada

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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1540 on: May 12, 2016, 01:04:58 AM »
That's the St. Francis of Assisi icon, right?
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1541 on: May 12, 2016, 09:05:08 AM »


Source

Mighty dangerous, Mor!
The source has troublesome stuff written
"The portrait of St. Francis of Assisi indicates that the theological disagreements between the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Pope did not necessarily prevent a peaceful coexistence of Orthodox and Catholic communities at a local level..."

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1542 on: May 12, 2016, 10:04:05 AM »
Since I can't see facebook where I am, would you mind telling where/ when this fresco was painted? Thanks.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1543 on: May 12, 2016, 10:49:37 AM »
Since I can't see facebook where I am, would you mind telling where/ when this fresco was painted? Thanks.
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The church was built in the XIIIth century and in the following century it was decorated at the expense of a local wealthy man. Its three altars are dedicated to the Dormition of the Virgin Mary (central), St. Anne (left) and St. Anthony the Great (right). The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes. The donor was probably an elder of the village whom the Venetians integrated into their aristocratic government system.
The portrait of St. Francis of Assisi indicates that the theological disagreements between the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Pope did not necessarily prevent a peaceful coexistence of Orthodox and Catholic communities at a local level and their common veneration of a saint who called all creatures his brothers and sisters...
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1544 on: May 12, 2016, 11:03:28 AM »
Interesting. Some further digging using the text you provided tells me the church is in Crete.

I wonder how common it was at the time for Orthodox churches to have more than one altar.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1545 on: May 12, 2016, 11:59:53 AM »
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The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes.

Greeks...

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1546 on: May 12, 2016, 02:16:24 PM »
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The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes.

Greeks...

Indians...
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1547 on: May 12, 2016, 02:27:44 PM »
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The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes.

Greeks...

Indians...

I'm not sure what relevance that has to my comment (which you likely misunderstood), but a) that's not my jurisdiction and b) I've been making fun of that stuff for years.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1548 on: May 12, 2016, 02:36:59 PM »
Who's Babu Jacob Nadayil?
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« Reply #1549 on: May 12, 2016, 02:42:06 PM »
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The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes.

Greeks...

Indians...

I'm not sure what relevance that has to my comment (which you likely misunderstood), but a) that's not my jurisdiction and b) I've been making fun of that stuff for years.

All I'm saying is that commending laypeople in the sanctuary for their service is not something restricted to the Greeks.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1550 on: May 12, 2016, 02:47:25 PM »
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The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes.

Greeks...

Indians...

I'm not sure what relevance that has to my comment (which you likely misunderstood), but a) that's not my jurisdiction and b) I've been making fun of that stuff for years.

All I'm saying is that commending laypeople in the sanctuary for their service is not something restricted to the Greeks.

...it was an inside joke between Antonis and me, not an invitation to begin another social justice crusade.  I don't fault you for not knowing that, but try not to let things get to you so easily.   

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1551 on: May 12, 2016, 02:47:51 PM »
Who's Babu Jacob Nadayil?

No one relevant to this thread. 

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« Reply #1552 on: May 12, 2016, 02:49:41 PM »
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The donor was portrayed with his wife and their daughter on the wall near a side entrance; they wear their best clothes.

Greeks...

Indians...

I'm not sure what relevance that has to my comment (which you likely misunderstood), but a) that's not my jurisdiction and b) I've been making fun of that stuff for years.

All I'm saying is that commending laypeople in the sanctuary for their service is not something restricted to the Greeks.

...it was an inside joke between Antonis and me, not an invitation to begin another social justice crusade.  I don't fault you for not knowing that, but try not to let things get to you so easily.   

I wasn't trying to start one. I just think your "I'm such a detached cynic" snark posts are a bit hypocritical at times and I felt like saying so.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1553 on: May 12, 2016, 03:00:42 PM »
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Greeks...


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1554 on: May 12, 2016, 03:07:20 PM »
I just think your "I'm such a detached cynic" snark posts are a bit hypocritical at times and I felt like saying so.

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« Reply #1555 on: May 12, 2016, 03:07:54 PM »
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Greeks...


What about us?

That's what I'm talking about...

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1556 on: May 13, 2016, 06:18:31 PM »
A monochromatic icon.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1557 on: May 13, 2016, 06:40:41 PM »
St. Joseph of Petrograd stepping on Patriarch Sergius... I think ROCOR was kinda angry.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1558 on: May 13, 2016, 07:16:01 PM »
St. Joseph of Petrograd stepping on Patriarch Sergius... I think ROCOR was kinda angry.




IIRC that one was covered in the Schlock Icons thread.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1559 on: May 15, 2016, 09:53:03 AM »
St. Joseph of Petrograd stepping on Patriarch Sergius... I think ROCOR was kinda angry.




IIRC that one was covered in the Schlock Icons thread.

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1560 on: May 15, 2016, 01:21:32 PM »
A monochromatic icon.


Looks like the Theotokos in the middle, but who are the others? :)
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1561 on: May 15, 2016, 02:17:52 PM »
A monochromatic icon.

Looks like the Theotokos in the middle, but who are the others? :)

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« Reply #1562 on: May 15, 2016, 04:47:23 PM »
Thank you. :)
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« Reply #1563 on: May 16, 2016, 10:06:20 AM »
A monochromatic icon.


Very interesting. It reminds me of the neo-classical vases I've seen from late 19th century England and France.
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« Reply #1564 on: May 16, 2016, 01:39:48 PM »




Looks a bit like the Theotokos of Athos.



And was created from the very similar idea. I can't see anything wrong with the LA icon as long as the Athonite is OK.

There is the problem of the Native American "Christ" and "Mother of God" surrounded by mandorlas in the LA painting.  :police:

In looking at the photos of the glorification of St. Sebastian of San Francisco and Jackson, which took place at Saint Steven Serbian Orthodox Cathedral in Alhambra, CA, I see that a copy of the "Our Lady of the Angels" icon is enshrined there: http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/pictures/images/9wadpatririneivisit15_10_jpg.jpg

Just discovered this:



The Akathist to the Mother of God Los Angeles
Celebrated on the Saturday of Bright Week

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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1565 on: May 17, 2016, 11:58:10 AM »
Have you ever seen Theophilia's icons? It's an RC Deviantart with very beautiful designs, I think a user of this forum has one of its icons as a prophile pic. Something in them estranges me though, I would hardly print and venerate any of those.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1566 on: May 17, 2016, 12:03:55 PM »
I've seen them before and I don't like them. I think that the artist spends to much time trying to make the figures handsome/pretty/cute. They look more like paper dolls than icons.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1567 on: May 17, 2016, 12:11:46 PM »
I've seen them before and I don't like them. I think that the artist spends to much time trying to make the figures handsome/pretty/cute. They look more like paper dolls than icons.
I agree. Probably why I find aesthetic but wouldn't venerate.
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« Reply #1568 on: May 17, 2016, 01:46:20 PM »
Deviantart?
Well named.
Looks like they arguing for the gay & cutie crowd, or some of that prison tattoo work.
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1569 on: May 17, 2016, 07:02:33 PM »
Have you ever seen Theophilia's icons? It's an RC Deviantart with very beautiful designs, I think a user of this forum has one of its icons as a prophile pic. Something in them estranges me though, I would hardly print and venerate any of those.

You're right to see them as not suitable for veneration.

Some of Theophilia's work has been discussed in the Schlock icons thread, like here:

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Re: Strange icons
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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1571 on: May 18, 2016, 12:12:49 PM »


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I feel like this has been talked about before.
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« Reply #1572 on: May 18, 2016, 12:13:44 PM »


I feel like this has been talked about before.


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Re: Strange icons
« Reply #1573 on: May 18, 2016, 12:18:10 PM »

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Re: Strange icons
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