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The heading kind of states it all. I am personally sick of all the white bashing feminist social justice warrior garbage out there today and was wondering what the OC churches position is on far right groups.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 05:07:27 AM »
Their opinion is probably pretty low, considering what happened to Matthew Heimbach.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 05:50:50 AM »
Who's Matthew Heimbach? 
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 08:13:52 AM »
Their opinion is probably pretty low, considering what happened to Matthew Heimbach.

Amen.  That says it all.

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 08:33:49 AM »
Their opinion is probably pretty low, considering what happened to Matthew Heimbach.

Amen.  That says it all.

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 10:10:13 AM »
A number of our saints were martyred by the "alt right".
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 10:49:10 AM »
Replace 'alt-right' with 'neo-Nazi' or 'white supremacist', and you wouldn't really need to ask.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 12:08:03 PM »
I think the Church would caution against extremism of any sort whether it be right or left.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 12:42:57 PM »
I don't think what qualifies one as alt-right is very clear yet, but there are many disgusting elements in this milieu (e.g. racism, phylo-Paganism, Nazi-Fascism), so I'd recommend distance from them even if you share some ideas with it (e.g. radical conservatism, anti-leftism, skepticism toward globalism and democracy). I think the alt-right, which is a recent American phaenomenon, speaks way too much for the much wider offspring of the Nouvelle Droite, personally I reject this label categorically despite some similarities, and I know many who do the same.

A number of our saints were martyred by the "alt right".
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 12:46:54 PM »
Saints Maria of Paris, Gorazd of Prague, Alexander Schmorell, etc.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 01:06:02 PM »
Fascinating how nobody wants the Church to direct people on any matters of practical importance or politics, but as soon as a political group they don't like arises, they demand the Church issue statements. It's almost as tho the secular world and all the half-Orthodox (borrowing this coinage from a recent article in the Greek press) fancy themselves Ottoman or pagan rulers that want the Church to dance when they pipe or berate her.

As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis, I don't see how such a debate could go forward in the public forums.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 01:20:31 PM »
An example of an alt-right organization: The National Policy Institute ("For Our People, Our Culture, Our Future"), whose president coined the term "alt-right".

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 01:23:37 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis, I don't see how such a debate could go forward in the public forums.

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 01:28:26 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis, I don't see how such a debate could go forward in the public forums.


Apparently, that article caused too much trouble for the alt-right, and no longer exists on that website.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 01:29:37 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis, I don't see how such a debate could go forward in the public forums.


Apparently, that article was too much even for the alt-right, and no longer exists on that website.

One more occasion to be grateful to the Wayback Machine.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 01:36:40 PM »
Let's not also forget the fact that the alt-right hates Christianity too.  Most of them are neopagans or atheists and see Christianity as a precursor to Marxism, it's sad really, how deceived they are.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 01:56:22 PM »
Let's not also forget the fact that the alt-right hates Christianity too.  Most of them are neopagans or atheists and see Christianity as a precursor to Marxism, it's sad really, how deceived they are.
Part of what makes alt-right attractive to many (young men, especially) is that it rejects many of the obviously detrimental aspects of the modern West (drugs, mass media, etc.), and it combines this counter-culturalism with a life based on discipline, reason, and a sort of spiritual freedom (often drawing upon pre-Christian European cultures). One alt-right article suggests how the opioid epidemic can be countered:

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Only by keeping a clear head and direct access to emotions does one have any chance of finding proper role-models and overcoming the detrimental modern worldview. Every day should be used to make ourselves more independent from the lifestyle which causes anxiety and depression. By reading daily, learning skills, becoming more self-sufficient, and putting ourselves in the context of an ancestral story, we have a chance of achieving freedom; yet, no such thing will be achieved as quickly as the effects of a pill are felt. It takes time, intellect, effort, and strength. When we begin to separate ourselves from the modern world, truth, freedom, and identity await.

A member of Asatru (a form of contemporary Paganism that draws upon the Old Nordic culture and that emphasizes virtues like self-sufficiency and freedom) would probably read this paragraph and wholeheartedly agree. What makes the alt-right so seductive is that it mixes an invigorating counter-culturalism with an often xenophobic white nationalism.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 02:24:45 PM »
P.S. The opioid quote is from the article "Opium Has Become The Opiate Of The Masses" at alternativeright.com. The article doesn't have its own web address.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 03:04:29 PM »
Replace 'alt-right' with 'neo-Nazi' or 'white supremacist', and you wouldn't really need to ask.

Really? You think thats what it means...wanting to preserve your people and nation over the onslaught of third world and muslim immigration. Being upset at political correctness radical feminists and Europe being over ran by muslims with European women being raped by the thousands (not to mention what goes on in the middle east) makes you a neo-nazi? Wow you must be sad Hillary lost

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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2017, 03:06:18 PM »
An example of an alt-right organization: The National Policy Institute ("For Our People, Our Culture, Our Future"), whose president coined the term "alt-right".

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NPI is an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of  people of European descent in the United States, and around the world.

That part sounds fine to me.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2017, 03:08:47 PM »
Replace 'alt-right' with 'neo-Nazi' or 'white supremacist', and you wouldn't really need to ask.

Really? You think thats what it means...wanting to preserve your people and nation over the onslaught of third world and muslim immigration. Being upset at political correctness radical feminists and Europe being over ran by muslims with European women being raped by the thousands (not to mention what goes on in the middle east) makes you a neo-nazi? Wow you must be sad Hillary lost

LOL, so much fear.
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2017, 03:09:34 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis, I don't see how such a debate could go forward in the public forums.


Apparently, that article caused too much trouble for the alt-right, and no longer exists on that website.
Well thats a bit over the edge...dang. I highly doubt that speaks for all alt-right people though.

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2017, 03:13:19 PM »
To me alt-right means in the American political sense literally an alternative right. One that is needed because all of our typical Washington neo-cons bow to big money, anything Israel says, political correctness, who care more about "free trade" than the workers of their own nation and essentially are just democrats with an R in front of them. I see it as just something to fight the old system with.

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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2017, 03:13:52 PM »
Replace 'alt-right' with 'neo-Nazi' or 'white supremacist', and you wouldn't really need to ask.

Really? You think thats what it means...wanting to preserve your people and nation over the onslaught of third world and muslim immigration. Being upset at political correctness radical feminists and Europe being over ran by muslims with European women being raped by the thousands (not to mention what goes on in the middle east) makes you a neo-nazi? Wow you must be sad Hillary lost

LOL, so much fear.
You want to answer my question? How does that make you a neo-nazi? Or just be a snarky liberal?
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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2017, 03:16:00 PM »
To me alt-right means in the American political sense literally an alternative right. One that is needed because all of our typical Washington neo-cons bow to big money, anything Israel says, political correctness, who care more about "free trade" than the workers of their own nation and essentially are just democrats with an R in front of them. I see it as just something to fight the old system with.

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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2017, 03:46:17 PM »
To me alt-right means in the American political sense literally an alternative right. One that is needed because all of our typical Washington neo-cons bow to big money, anything Israel says, political correctness, who care more about "free trade" than the workers of their own nation and essentially are just democrats with an R in front of them. I see it as just something to fight the old system with.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2017, 03:47:00 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis, I don't see how such a debate could go forward in the public forums.


Apparently, that article was too much even for the alt-right, and no longer exists on that website.

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Yes indeed.

Replace 'alt-right' with 'neo-Nazi' or 'white supremacist', and you wouldn't really need to ask.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2017, 03:47:56 PM »
To me alt-right means in the American political sense literally an alternative right. One that is needed because all of our typical Washington neo-cons bow to big money, anything Israel says, political correctness, who care more about "free trade" than the workers of their own nation and essentially are just democrats with an R in front of them. I see it as just something to fight the old system with.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2017, 04:09:36 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis,

No need for hints, they're quite open about being literally Nazis.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2017, 04:22:10 PM »
I'll wait until this inevitably gets tossed into politics before commenting at length, but suffice it to say, as michaelus has alrady mentioned, the Church's position on "white nationalism" and the like - which seems to be inextricably linked to the ideology of much of what constitutes the so-called "alt-right" - was made clear in the Matthew Heimbach case.

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Re: The Churches opinion on the alt-right and other far right groups
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2017, 04:52:54 PM »
As for whatever on earth "alt. right" could be, and all the oh-so-clever hints in the thread that such American young people are literally Nazis,

No need for hints, they're quite open about being literally Nazis.

But that hole in the sand has never steered your head wrong before, right?

Like that avoidance of defining your terms and clarifying the significance of your data points has never steered you and your pals wrong? The so-called alternative right are overwhelmingly just young Republicans without any unusual racial opinions at all. The conflation and hysteria is only abject self indulgence and self deceit on the part of young Democrats and the media that courts them.
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« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2017, 05:04:41 PM »
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