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Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« on: May 02, 2015, 01:51:54 AM »
As a recent convert to Orthodoxy I have a question about receiving the Eucharist at a Church under a different self-governing body that my home Church.

If I belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church and am traveling and attend say a Greek or Russian Orthodox Church can I simply go up and receive the Eucharist, or before the service should I tell an usher or a priest that I'm visiting and want to commune, or ??

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2015, 06:53:10 AM »
Well, if the parish you visit has an attendance of 20 people it might be a good idea to announce oneself. If the attendance is eg. 20 times higher, don't bother.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2015, 10:29:19 AM »
Well, if the parish you visit has an attendance of 20 people it might be a good idea to announce oneself. If the attendance is eg. 20 times higher, don't bother.

This, more or less.  Personally, I would try to speak to the priest in advance (e.g., phone call, email) if at all possible.  If you're just showing up that morning, you can try to speak with the priest if you're early enough, or you can introduce yourself to someone there and see how things work there, but I wouldn't worry too much about just getting on the Communion line and approaching.  If he wants, the priest will ask you about who you are (happened to me a couple of times).   
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 02:00:57 PM »
Well, if the parish you visit has an attendance of 20 people it might be a good idea to announce oneself. If the attendance is eg. 20 times higher, don't bother.

This, more or less.  Personally, I would try to speak to the priest in advance (e.g., phone call, email) if at all possible.  If you're just showing up that morning, you can try to speak with the priest if you're early enough, or you can introduce yourself to someone there and see how things work there, but I wouldn't worry too much about just getting on the Communion line and approaching.  If he wants, the priest will ask you about who you are (happened to me a couple of times).
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2015, 02:32:39 PM »
Maybe in general, but it depends where you go.  I am Greek Orthodox.  I once visited a ROCOR Church, for them I think the ones who received the Eucharist confessed recently.  It was a little more closed.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2015, 06:56:25 PM »
As a recent convert to Orthodoxy I have a question about receiving the Eucharist at a Church under a different self-governing body that my home Church.

If I belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church and am traveling and attend say a Greek or Russian Orthodox Church can I simply go up and receive the Eucharist, or before the service should I tell an usher or a priest that I'm visiting and want to commune, or ??

Thanks.

I would talk to the priest before hand.  It would save any potential embarrassment.
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2015, 08:25:32 PM »
As a recent convert to Orthodoxy I have a question about receiving the Eucharist at a Church under a different self-governing body that my home Church.

If I belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church and am traveling and attend say a Greek or Russian Orthodox Church can I simply go up and receive the Eucharist, or before the service should I tell an usher or a priest that I'm visiting and want to commune, or ??

Thanks.

I would talk to the priest before hand.  It would save any potential embarrassment.

And with this, if the jurisdiction requires confession before communion, then you will have the chance to do so

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2015, 08:33:07 PM »

And with this, if the jurisdiction requires confession before communion, then you will have the chance to do so

Depending on the Church/priest, a confession may be required and it may be required that the specific priest giving out communion be the one that hears it; not say your home church and then communing at the other church. As stated by most of the others, a heads up before hand to the priest/church or someone would be a good idea.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2015, 08:36:49 PM »
Yes, communicating ahead of time, if possible, is the best idea.

If traveling abroad, it also would not hurt to carry with you a letter from your present parish priest stating that you are an Orthodox Christian in good standing with your home parish.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2015, 08:45:22 PM »

If traveling abroad, it also would not hurt to carry with you a letter from your present parish priest stating that you are an Orthodox Christian in good standing with your home parish.

Nice touch, I never though of that.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2015, 08:58:00 PM »
Also keep in mind that the Patriarchate of Antioch is in communion with the Copts but the Patriarchate of Moscow is not.

Therefore if planning to Commune in a Coptic church be sure to specify that you are Antiochian.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2015, 09:02:02 PM »
JTLoganville:

This is true of the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch, to be sure, but are you implying that the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch is in communion with the (Coptic) Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria?

There is an agreement which was entered into in 1991 or so between the Greek and Syriac Orthodox Patriarchates of Antioch, and which has been used to permit intercommunion in certain circumstances because of specific needs among the faithful in the Middle East.  But this agreement presently stops far short of resolving all of the issues which would allow one of these churches to say that it is "in communion" with the other.

Or has something happened recently of which I am not aware?
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2015, 09:02:06 PM »
Also keep in mind that the Patriarchate of Antioch is in communion with the Copts

I was not aware of this; is this true?

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2015, 10:14:25 PM »
Also keep in mind that the Patriarchate of Antioch is in communion with the Copts

I was not aware of this; is this true?

In a limited sense, based on an answer that my Protopresbyter Priest gave to a question put to him in an adult forum Christian Education class.
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2015, 05:43:02 AM »
This is de facto true (if not de jure). The AOCNA will commune any Copt so long as there is not a Coptic Church in town and that the Copt intends to make the AOCNA parish in question their parish whilst staying in or living in the geographic area.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2015, 11:48:52 AM »
This is de facto true (if not de jure). The AOCNA will commune any Copt so long as there is not a Coptic Church in town and that the Copt intends to make the AOCNA parish in question their parish whilst staying in or living in the geographic area.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2015, 11:50:00 AM »
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2015, 12:02:18 PM »
Antiochian Orthodox Church of North America

I may be misunderstand this, so please correct me if needed. If I understand correctly, the Antioch Church, which is EO, allows Coptic Christians who are OO, to take communion in their churches. This seems like is would cause an issue with the other EO churches and Antioch, has this been the case?

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2015, 08:42:35 PM »
Antiochian Orthodox Church of North America

I may be misunderstand this, so please correct me if needed. If I understand correctly, the Antioch Church, which is EO, allows Coptic Christians who are OO, to take communion in their churches. This seems like is would cause an issue with the other EO churches and Antioch, has this been the case?

I have seen individual situations in both the OCA and the UOC-USA where Oriental Orthodox were communed.  In the cases with which I am familiar, those Oriental Orthodox were known to the relevant parish priest and, presumably, had discussed the situation with him, discussions to which I was not privy.

It is my anecdotal observation that the practice, on an individual level, is far more widespread than some recognize, particularly in places where persecution is rampant and where the Oriental Orthodox are without nearby parishes in the diaspora.

I do not have a listing of each North American jurisdiction's view on the matter.  I'm sure that there are some who would be more reluctant than others to do this.  But, in my limited awareness of such things, I'm not at all aware of this being an actively-debated "issue" anywhere in inter-jurisdictional discussions in North America.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2015, 09:20:30 PM »
thanks for shedding some light and background on this matter.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2015, 11:01:33 PM »
Antiochian Orthodox Church of North America

I may be misunderstand this, so please correct me if needed. If I understand correctly, the Antioch Church, which is EO, allows Coptic Christians who are OO, to take communion in their churches. This seems like is would cause an issue with the other EO churches and Antioch, has this been the case?
I don't know if it has caused any issues, but Antioch has had a practice for awhile of communing OO Christians and vice versa. We have several Copts that commune in our parish. There remains a prohibition on OO priests and EO priest concelebrating. For much of AOCNA, there is an opinion that reunion with the OO is for all intents and purposes a done deal. I realize that other jurisdictions are much less liberal in their policy and opinion on the matter, however.
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2015, 11:03:29 PM »
For much of AOCNA, there is an opinion that reunion with the OO is for all intents and purposes a done deal. I realize that other jurisdictions are much less liberal in their policy and opinion on the matter, however.

That is what I was driving at. This would seem to be an issue for, if not all, then at least some of the other EO in North America -- I would think. I would think the Serbian Church would probably take issue with it.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2015, 11:05:07 PM »
For much of AOCNA, there is an opinion that reunion with the OO is for all intents and purposes a done deal. I realize that other jurisdictions are much less liberal in their policy and opinion on the matter, however.

That is what I was driving at. This would seem to be an issue for, if not all, then at least some of the other EO in North America -- I would think. I would think the Serbian Church would probably take issue with it.
I believe that who a bishop directs his priests to commune largely remains an internal matter. I suspect the Serbian Church is not willing to follow suit, but it isn't like they can tell Antioch who they can and can't commune.
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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2015, 11:09:49 PM »
For much of AOCNA, there is an opinion that reunion with the OO is for all intents and purposes a done deal. I realize that other jurisdictions are much less liberal in their policy and opinion on the matter, however.

That is what I was driving at. This would seem to be an issue for, if not all, then at least some of the other EO in North America -- I would think. I would think the Serbian Church would probably take issue with it.
I believe that who a bishop directs his priests to commune largely remains an internal matter. I suspect the Serbian Church is not willing to follow suit, but it isn't like they can tell Antioch who they can and can't commune.

I am not saying that anyone can tell Antioch who they can commune with. I am saying that communing with OO may cause issues with Antioch's communion with other EO churches.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 08:36:31 AM »
If traveling abroad, it also would not hurt to carry with you a letter from your present parish priest stating that you are an Orthodox Christian in good standing with your home parish.

Overkill.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2015, 10:40:30 AM »
The advice came from a well connected priest because of the fact that three major Orthodox bodies are operating in Ukraine.  It cannot hurt in any circumstance, particularly if one is in a land where ones mother tongue is not widely spoken.   

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2015, 04:05:23 PM »
If traveling abroad, it also would not hurt to carry with you a letter from your present parish priest stating that you are an Orthodox Christian in good standing with your home parish.

Overkill.

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Re: Receiving the Eucharist away from home
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2015, 04:14:21 PM »
If traveling abroad, it also would not hurt to carry with you a letter from your present parish priest stating that you are an Orthodox Christian in good standing with your home parish.

Overkill.

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