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As many of our long term OC.netizens know, it is the long standing tradition of this site to have a 24-hour hiatus on Clean Monday. This hiatus is intended to give to our posters an opportunity to devote their day to prayer and repentance, and not have this site distract them in these critical pursuits.
This post is intended to inform and remind you that the forum will be down when Clean Monday hits the United States' East Coast, which is the time zone for the server of this site.
It is my fervent prayer that we will put aside the debates and jokes, veiled ad hominems and random posts for this day, so that all of us can devote ourselves to things that actually matter.
May the Lord have mercy on us all!
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 02:27:36 AM » |
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[Bumped up as a reminder of the coming Clean Monday Hiatus]  Let us go before, O brethren, and cleanse ourselves for the Queen of virtues; for behold she hath come bringing to us fortune of good deeds, quenching the uprisings of passion and reconciling the wicked to the Master. Let us welcome her, therefore, shouting to Christ God, O thou Who arose from the dead, keep us uncondemned, who glorify Thee, O Thou who alone art sinless. |
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 03:06:15 AM » |
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I vote to shut down the site for all of Lent!
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 04:51:12 AM » |
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2009, 07:21:26 AM » |
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I vote to shut down the site for all of Lent!
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2009, 01:21:03 AM » |
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How about just not logging on? That works, you know. It'd work much better, as it would require some will power. I vote that Alveus Lacuna avoid the site for all of Lent, as a living example of spiritual fortitude...  |
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2009, 08:16:51 PM » |
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What a wonderful Idea so we may each start Great Lent in prayer and repentance!
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2009, 09:00:31 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 02:39:42 PM » |
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I'm bumping this thread, as we will be observing Clean Monday a week from today and will, in turn, have our usual forum shut-down for the day.
May we all have a blessed, fruitful, and spiritual Lent!
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 10:28:09 PM » |
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I'm bumping this thread, as we will be observing Clean Monday a week from today and will, in turn, have our usual forum shut-down for the day.
May we all have a blessed, fruitful, and spiritual Lent!
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 05:20:43 PM » |
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I wish this board would close down for the entire first week of Great Lent and then reopen on the Sunday of Orthodoxy.
One day is not enough time.
On second thought, maybe like Met Jonah, we should retreat for the duration of Great Lent.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2011, 06:36:07 PM » |
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Well, the Internet as everything else in life, is what you make of it.
I for one, enjoy this site immensely. I have grown as an Orthodox Christian thanks to the knowledge shared on this forum. I've learned things I would never have known otherwise.
Hiding from the forum, is just that "hiding". You have to learn how to deal with all the different personalities, your time management, etc. It's just like dealing with people in the office. You have to be able to handle each situation, and get the work done.
I think it's a great idea to close down for a day... If nothing else, we feel the "loss" of the forum...and it makes us realize the gravity of the day all the more strongly. However, I don't think it needs to be shut down for a longer period of time.
If someone feels the site is a detriment to their fasting, then they need to utilize self control and just not log on.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 05:08:36 PM » |
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My lenten resolution was to try and stay off the board for all of Great Lent, but I've decided to check, from time to time, what is posted on the Prayer Forum, so I can add those needing prayers to my daily prayer rule.
Forgive me Fathers, Mothers, Brothers and Sisters in all I have transgressed against you.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 09:26:31 PM » |
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Please note the banner our illustrious Webdespota has put in: 10:00pm EST the forum will be shutting down for Clean Monday.
Καλή αρχή! Good beginning! (To Lent, that is.)
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2011, 12:22:29 AM » |
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2011, 03:37:04 AM » |
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2011, 09:15:06 AM » |
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Why hello Purple..
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2011, 10:35:19 AM » |
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Why hello Purple..
Purple is a traditional Lenten color in Orthodoxy, which is why the forum is purple during Great Lent. I don't think that was a question. It read to me more like an exclamation: "Why, HELLO Purple!" |
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2011, 11:14:48 AM » |
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I'd like to see a nice green myself.
How about a poll?
Maybe on March 17 (of both calendars, of course!) |
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2011, 12:41:55 PM » |
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My lenten resolution was to try and stay off the board for all of Great Lent, but I've decided to check, from time to time, what is posted on the Prayer Forum, so I can add those needing prayers to my daily prayer rule.
Forgive me Fathers, Mothers, Brothers and Sisters in all I have transgressed against you.
God grant you a profitable Great Lent.
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2011, 04:10:10 PM » |
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I'd like to see a nice green myself.
How about a poll?
Maybe on March 17 (of both calendars, of course!) Or Pentecost? Apostles Fast? Could we use red during the Nativity fast? Maybe a lighter shade of blue for the Dormition Fast/Feasts of the Theotokos? White for Pascha and other Feasts of the Lord? Why don't we just keep changing it according to the liturgical color of the day. |
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2011, 04:18:11 PM » |
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I'd like to see a nice green myself.
How about a poll?
Maybe on March 17 (of both calendars, of course!) Or Pentecost? Apostles Fast? Could we use red during the Nativity fast? Maybe a lighter shade of blue for the Dormition Fast/Feasts of the Theotokos? White for Pascha and other Feasts of the Lord? Why don't we just keep changing it according to the liturgical color of the day. OK by me. As long as we don't get the reputation of being the "rainbow" forum . |
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2011, 04:18:40 PM » |
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I'd like to see a nice green myself.
How about a poll?
Maybe on March 17 (of both calendars, of course!) Or Pentecost? Apostles Fast? Could we use red during the Nativity fast? Maybe a lighter shade of blue for the Dormition Fast/Feasts of the Theotokos? White for Pascha and other Feasts of the Lord? Why don't we just keep changing it according to the liturgical color of the day. I think that would be neat and very appropriate. Could we have GREEN for St. Pat's Day on March 17? |
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2011, 04:20:00 PM » |
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The Rainbow was created by God as it is part of his wonderful creation.
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Why hello Purple.. Purple is a traditional Lenten color in Orthodoxy, which is why the forum is purple during Great Lent. I don't think that was a question. It read to me more like an exclamation: "Why, HELLO Purple!" I had to hedge my bet. I'd like to see a nice green myself.
How about a poll? Maybe on March 17 (of both calendars, of course!) If we're going to do green for St. Patrick, then it would have to be in the summer when the OC celebrates his feastday. |
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Why hello Purple..
Purple is a traditional Lenten color in Orthodoxy, which is why the forum is purple during Great Lent. I love it. When I came back to the forums I just got this feeling like "wow something big is happening", kind of like when I went to forgiveness vespers and saw the purple cloth covering the altar. |
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Why hello Purple.. Purple is a traditional Lenten color in Orthodoxy, which is why the forum is purple during Great Lent. I don't think that was a question. It read to me more like an exclamation: "Why, HELLO Purple!" I had to hedge my bet. I'd like to see a nice green myself.
How about a poll? Maybe on March 17 (of both calendars, of course!) If we're going to do green for St. Patrick, then it would have to be in the summer when the OC celebrates his feastday. When is his feast day? On some Orthodox calendars I did see Mar. 17. |
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2011, 05:49:29 PM » |
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Why hello Purple..
Purple is a traditional Lenten color in Orthodoxy, which is why the forum is purple during Great Lent. I love it. When I came back to the forums I just got this feeling like "wow something big is happening", kind of like when I went to forgiveness vespers and saw the purple cloth covering the altar. Me, too. It is a great reminder that we are in Great Lent. Thank you, Reverend Fathers and administrators.  |
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The Rainbow was created by God as it is part of his wonderful creation.
Liturgical colors are wonderful and a feast for our eyes.
I quite agree with you, Maria. The Rainbow forum would be much to my liking. However, as I said "rainbow" forum I was hinting at a - um -contemporary misappropriation of the word. The Orthodox worshipful feast for the eyes was what hooked me on the Orthodox Church. |
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I would love to create green and read versions of the site as well. The only thing holding me back is time. It takes awhile to create the right shades for the other templates, and I always have to tweak it because some people complain it's hard on their eyes, etc.
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I would love to create green and read versions of the site as well. The only thing holding me back is time. It takes awhile to create the right shades for the other templates, and I always have to tweak it because some people complain it's hard on their eyes, etc.
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If we're going to do green for St. Patrick, then it would have to be in the summer when the OC celebrates his feastday. When is his feast day? On some Orthodox calendars I did see Mar. 17. I had always assumed it, until I had a discussion about it with someone a few years ago who insisted it was another day. Goarch (and a number of other sources) report it on March 17. I'll go check another spot... It's not in the Greek menaion on March 17... I'll try and find it in another place. It's odd, but the Greek menaion only has a Patrick (bishop of Proussa) on May 19, not on March 17, even though St. Patrick of Armagh (Enlightener of Ireland) was very much pre-Schism. |
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