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Conception of Theotokos
« on: December 08, 2009, 01:25:46 AM »
I was reading Butler's Lives of the Saints earlier tonight, and I noticed that tomorrow, December 8, is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception for the Latin Church.  Later this evening, I looked at my Orthodox calendar (New Calendar) to see what was tomorrow, and I noticed that December 9, not tomorrow, is the feast day commemorating the conception by righteous St. Anna of the Theotokos.  Is there any reason why the conception is celebrated on different days? 

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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 02:46:09 AM »
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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 02:58:13 AM »
Conception of the Mother of God - 9 December

Nativity of the Mother of God - 8 September.

That is one day short of the nine month period.   I have read somewhere that it was done deliberately as a symbolical way of saying that only God is perfect.

The same eccentric one day off enumeration is seen with Saint John the Baptist

Conception- 23 September
Nativity - 24 June

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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 12:08:21 PM »
^Interesting.  I didn't know that.  Thanks, Fr. Ambrose!

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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 02:08:27 PM »
Conception of the Mother of God - 9 December

Nativity of the Mother of God - 8 September.

That is one day short of the nine month period.   I have read somewhere that it was done deliberately as a symbolical way of saying that only God is perfect.

The same eccentric one day off enumeration is seen with Saint John the Baptist

Conception- 23 September
Nativity - 24 June

Interesting. I thought the same thing about the numbering, but I was not sure. Thanks for this Father!

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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 03:32:43 PM »
Very cool!
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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 03:37:16 PM »
I was reading Butler's Lives of the Saints earlier tonight, and I noticed that tomorrow, December 8, is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception for the Latin Church.  Later this evening, I looked at my Orthodox calendar (New Calendar) to see what was tomorrow, and I noticed that December 9, not tomorrow, is the feast day commemorating the conception by righteous St. Anna of the Theotokos.  Is there any reason why the conception is celebrated on different days?   

My understanding is the same as Fr. Ambrose's - the difference in date is explained by the statement each group is making viz a viz Mary's conception.
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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 11:27:18 AM »
All I have to say is that I went to Mass last night for the feast of the Immaculate Conception and it was beautiful. I love the way our Priest celebrates the Mass so reverently and how the choir selects traditional Catholic music. Of course, the well know version of the "Ave Maria" was sung.
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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 12:07:11 PM »
Of course, the well know version of the "Ave Maria" was sung.

No offense against Schubert, but I like Bieble's version better. (Plus it tells the entire story of the Annunciation in the song!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVyCJlPiHFg
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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2009, 08:32:44 PM »
Today, December 9, is the feast of the Conception of the Holy Virgin Mary, according to the calendar of the Armenian Church.  It's one of only a handful of feast days which always takes place on the same date, and which is allowed to take place on a fasting day, like Wednesday. 

Happy feast day, everyone!

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Re: Conception of Theotokos
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2009, 08:33:22 PM »
Today, December 9, is the feast of the Conception of the Holy Virgin Mary, according to the calendar of the Armenian Church.  It's one of only a handful of feast days which always takes place on the same date, and which is allowed to take place on a fasting day, like Wednesday. 

Happy feast day, everyone!
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