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Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« on: February 19, 2009, 02:35:56 PM »
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Has one have more info about this event? What else has he have been visiting/have visited? Or something like that...

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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 05:35:38 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 07:07:16 PM »
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 07:58:06 PM »
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Has one have more info about this event? What else has he have been visiting/have visited? Or something like that...
I am sitting just blocks away from the Cathedral in the pictures, and this is the first I've heard of it. :(
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 08:09:15 PM »
I am sitting just blocks away from the Cathedral in the pictures, and this is the first I've heard of it. :(

Sadly typical of the phyletist variety of Orthodox. Rarely ones to spread the word among those not of their "own". In my experience, it usually falls on the volition of laymen who can see past their own parish and jurisdiction for such news to get around.  ::) :(
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 11:35:27 PM »
I am sitting just blocks away from the Cathedral in the pictures, and this is the first I've heard of it. :(

Sadly typical of the phyletist variety of Orthodox. Rarely ones to spread the word among those not of their "own". In my experience, it usually falls on the volition of laymen who can see past their own parish and jurisdiction for such news to get around.  ::) :(

What's with the phyletist charge??
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2009, 12:01:47 AM »
What's with the phyletist charge??

I could give many examples from my direct experience that events which are of significance to all Orthodox people, irrespective of jurisdiction, are very often publicised only within that parish, or that jurisdiction. For instance, visits of relics of saints, or wonderworking icons seem to only be publicised among those of the same jurisdiction or ethnicity. Any Orthodox "outsiders" usually have no idea, other than if they have been informed by the efforts of individuals who can see beyond their parochial and jurisdictional noses.

An example: The Kursk-Root icon of the Mother of God has visited my neck of the woods. In the city I live in, there are several Greek, one Antiochian, two Serbian, a Belorussian, a Bulgarian, a Romanian, and a Ukrainian church, all, of course, Orthodox. Yet the only folks who got to know about it outside of the Russian church which hosted the icon were the few who got to know about it through the efforts of a tiny number of parishioners of this Russian church, who had the nous to recognise that such an important event was very significant to all Orthodox, not just those who belonged to that parish or jurisdiction.

Sadly, this is but one example of the frequent insularity of many Orthodox parishes, which, I'm afraid, could only be attributable to phyletism.
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2009, 12:15:34 AM »
What's with the phyletist charge??

I could give many examples from my direct experience that events which are of significance to all Orthodox people, irrespective of jurisdiction, are very often publicised only within that parish, or that jurisdiction. For instance, visits of relics of saints, or wonderworking icons seem to only be publicised among those of the same jurisdiction or ethnicity. Any Orthodox "outsiders" usually have no idea, other than if they have been informed by the efforts of individuals who can see beyond their parochial and jurisdictional noses.

An example: The Kursk-Root icon of the Mother of God has visited my neck of the woods. In the city I live in, there are several Greek, one Antiochian, two Serbian, a Belorussian, a Bulgarian, a Romanian, and a Ukrainian church, all, of course, Orthodox. Yet the only folks who got to know about it outside of the Russian church which hosted the icon were the few who got to know about it through the efforts of a tiny number of parishioners of this Russian church, who had the nous to recognise that such an important event was very significant to all Orthodox, not just those who belonged to that parish or jurisdiction.

Sadly, this is but one example of the frequent insularity of many Orthodox parishes, which, I'm afraid, could only be attributable to phyletism.

I see. So what are you doing to change this tide of insularity??
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 12:23:10 AM »
I see. So what are you doing to change this tide of insularity??

I am one of that small but dedicated number of people which is doing what it can to spread the word among the wider Orthodox community where I live. Do not think that I am idle in this regard.
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2009, 12:28:57 AM »
I see. So what are you doing to change this tide of insularity??

I am one of that small but dedicated number of people which is doing what it can to spread the word among the wider Orthodox community where I live. Do not think that I am idle in this regard.

Right. Because I can see how calling them phyletists can be a great building block towards Church unity.
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 12:43:20 AM »
Right. Because I can see how calling them phyletists can be a great building block towards Church unity.

I can easily see the irony in your post, and, rest assured, I am not offended in the least. A healthy antidote to phyletism is to be exposed to the different "flavours" of Orthodoxy, whether by personal contact, mixed Orthodox marriage, attending a church which is not one's "cradle", and thereby develop a discernment which allows one to distinguish between folk custom and the things of Orthodoxy which are inviolable. It's not easy, but it's possible.
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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 01:22:22 AM »
Oh, you catty girls knock it off.  ;D

Seriously though, this church looks beautiful from what I can tell:



And look, not a pew in sight AND headcoverings...I think this might truly be heaven on Earth!

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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2009, 01:52:08 AM »
Right. Because I can see how calling them phyletists can be a great building block towards Church unity.

I can easily see the irony in your post, and, rest assured, I am not offended in the least. A healthy antidote to phyletism is to be exposed to the different "flavours" of Orthodoxy, whether by personal contact, mixed Orthodox marriage, attending a church which is not one's "cradle", and thereby develop a discernment which allows one to distinguish between folk custom and the things of Orthodoxy which are inviolable. It's not easy, but it's possible.

This is definitely not a mindset that will be conquered in a few years; it is a generational battle.  "Living in truth" (to borrow an idea from a famous Czech - see I'm staying on topic!) in these small ways is the way to eventually bring about positive change by the time the next generation comes into power. 

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Re: Primate's of Church of Czech and Slovak Lands visit to the US
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2009, 03:47:00 AM »
I am sitting just blocks away from the Cathedral in the pictures, and this is the first I've heard of it. :(

Sadly typical of the phyletist variety of Orthodox. Rarely ones to spread the word among those not of their "own". In my experience, it usually falls on the volition of laymen who can see past their own parish and jurisdiction for such news to get around.  ::) :(

To be fair, it appears that this visit was arranged by Bishop Peter of ROCOR and they are still learning about cooperating with the rest of us. I actually rejoice to see that Bishop Peter took Metropolitan Christopher to visit the other hierarchs in Chicago; this would not have happened 5 years ago.
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of ROCOR and they are still learning about cooperating with the rest of us.


I accept what you have said, arimethea, but the problem I referred to is not exclusive to ROCOR. The Greek church is much the same, as are the other "ethnic" churches. Sad. So sad.
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of ROCOR and they are still learning about cooperating with the rest of us.


I accept what you have said, arimethea, but the problem I referred to is not exclusive to ROCOR. The Greek church is much the same, as are the other "ethnic" churches. Sad. So sad.

It may just be your location, there are a number of areas in which all the Orthodox churches share with each other everything. When a bishop comes all the churches show up. It may just be a size thing too, in Chicago there are a number of each jurisdiction's parishes that there is not the need to share everything with every parish since there are well over 100 orthodox parishes in the Chicago area but other places in the where the number of parishes is lower you see greater cooperation.

I am not picking on Chicago either, because I do think they have a lot of cooperation. With the number of Bishops that are present in the city they get a long and do encourage their clergy to work together. Can it be better, yes, but I don't think the situation is as dire as you are making it.
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