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Should children be spanked?

Absolutely yes!
36 (18.4%)
In some cases, yes.
88 (44.9%)
Maybe.
16 (8.2%)
No, probably not.
25 (12.8%)
Absolutely not!
31 (15.8%)

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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #495 on: September 06, 2013, 03:46:31 PM »
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First problem, define spank?

A blow of how much force?
Hand, fist or instrument?
To which site upon the child?
Administered only when the adult is NOT in a temper?

Spank: to deliver a blow to the gluteus maximus muscle with the open hand traveling at approximately 200 ft/s for the purpose of meteing discipline to a child between the ages of 2 and 8.

I love the very specific definition. How anyone might gauge that their hand is travelling at 200 feet per sec or thereabouts beats me. Secondly I know spanking means different things to different people and some of those 'different' things worry me a lot.


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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #496 on: September 06, 2013, 03:46:49 PM »
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First problem, define spank?

A blow of how much force?
Hand, fist or instrument?
To which site upon the child?
Administered only when the adult is NOT in a temper?

Spank: to deliver a blow to the gluteus maximus muscle with the open hand traveling at approximately 200 ft/s for the purpose of meteing discipline to a child between the ages of 2 and 8.



What about data sets?  Graphs?  I need to visualize the math.  What would be an optimal starting distance from target?
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #497 on: September 06, 2013, 03:54:00 PM »
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First problem, define spank?

A blow of how much force?
Hand, fist or instrument?
To which site upon the child?
Administered only when the adult is NOT in a temper?

Spank: to deliver a blow to the gluteus maximus muscle with the open hand traveling at approximately 200 ft/s for the purpose of meteing discipline to a child between the ages of 2 and 8.



What about data sets?  Graphs?  I need to visualize the math.  What would be an optimal starting distance from target?

Here is the graph.  Geez!  Do I have to do all the work for you?  I thought you were a parent, you should have all this calculated out already.  Where did you get your parental certificate?  >:(

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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #498 on: September 06, 2013, 03:55:39 PM »
If you are having difficulties measuring your spanking speed, I recommend your contact this company.  They were absolutely invaluable for me!

http://www.sportsmotion.com/
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #499 on: September 06, 2013, 04:45:20 PM »
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Here is the graph.  Geez!  Do I have to do all the work for you?  I thought you were a parent, you should have all this calculated out already.  Where did you get your parental certificate?  >:(



Not I, said the cat.  Although I was spanked quite often by my parents, for being a bit of a problem child.  Understanding the physics and calculation behind it all is fascinating. 
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #500 on: September 06, 2013, 05:21:01 PM »
My bad.  I was mistaken.  Well, if you ever do have the opportunity to have some cherubs of your own, now you know the science behind it.  ;D
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #501 on: September 07, 2013, 12:17:27 PM »
Spanking speeds?

This thread is at the top of my "Updates" list. Can I end it already, please?



Or is that going to cause more spanking?


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« Reply #502 on: September 09, 2013, 02:24:41 PM »
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First problem, define spank?

A blow of how much force?
Hand, fist or instrument?
To which site upon the child?
Administered only when the adult is NOT in a temper?

Spank: to deliver a blow to the gluteus maximus muscle with the open hand traveling at approximately 200 ft/s for the purpose of meteing discipline to a child between the ages of 2 and 8.

I love the very specific definition. How anyone might gauge that their hand is travelling at 200 feet per sec or thereabouts beats me. Secondly I know spanking means different things to different people and some of those 'different' things worry me a lot.


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« Reply #503 on: September 09, 2013, 02:27:23 PM »
I think it's better to interpret "spare the rod, spoil the child", not meaning that you must beat with a rod, but rather that discipline is necessary.  Over the years, I have observed that most of the children who behave very badly in church (loud screaming and tantrums that can't be calmed) are from families who do not spank their kids (or perhaps their discipline in general was lax or inconsistent).

I grew up in a family where rare spankings were given with a wooden spoon, however, I quit spanking our son when he was about 5 years old after observing that the spankings were not changing his behavior, and were not creating any remorse, they were only making him angry.  So we switched to time-outs and removing privileges.

My son-in-law has a unique method of discipline that works very well.  When the boys, 7 & 8 years old, misbehave they have to do pushups.  Usually it's 10 pushups, but once for a bad offense 100 were prescribed.  The boys cooperate very well with this and it's also providing benefit to their bodies.  It's discipline you can use in public (because of course kids easily take advantage of a situation where there can be no punishment), raises a few eyebrows, but can't be labeled child abuse.  The kids appreciate this, because it gets the punishment out of the way, is much preferred to a long time-out.  My son-in-law also used this technique to great effect when teaching at an all boys high school.  He allowed his students to choose push-ups instead of demerits for misbehavior.

That push up idea is phenomenal.  Running laps could be used as well, I'd bet.  If I ever accidentally have any children, I shall be sure to try out your bro-in-law's method.

My uncle had an effective method as well.  One time my little cousin was being a turd at the restaurant and my aunt gave up and told him to deal with it.  He leaned over, whispered something, and that was that.  Perfect little cherub for the rest of dinner.  Eventually I had to know, so I asked.  He told him that if he didn't shut up immediately and stay shut up, he was going to take every toy and stuft animal at home, pile them up on the lawn, and then burn them and make him watch.   :D
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #504 on: September 09, 2013, 02:28:53 PM »
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First problem, define spank?

A blow of how much force?
Hand, fist or instrument?
To which site upon the child?
Administered only when the adult is NOT in a temper?

Spank: to deliver a blow to the gluteus maximus muscle with the open hand traveling at approximately 200 ft/s for the purpose of meteing discipline to a child between the ages of 2 and 8.

I love the very specific definition. How anyone might gauge that their hand is travelling at 200 feet per sec or thereabouts beats me. Secondly I know spanking means different things to different people and some of those 'different' things worry me a lot.


 :D

I'm sure there were delicate and highly accurate measuring devices.  Lasers and radars and such.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #505 on: September 09, 2013, 03:05:16 PM »
I think it's better to interpret "spare the rod, spoil the child", not meaning that you must beat with a rod, but rather that discipline is necessary.  Over the years, I have observed that most of the children who behave very badly in church (loud screaming and tantrums that can't be calmed) are from families who do not spank their kids (or perhaps their discipline in general was lax or inconsistent).

I grew up in a family where rare spankings were given with a wooden spoon, however, I quit spanking our son when he was about 5 years old after observing that the spankings were not changing his behavior, and were not creating any remorse, they were only making him angry.  So we switched to time-outs and removing privileges.

My son-in-law has a unique method of discipline that works very well.  When the boys, 7 & 8 years old, misbehave they have to do pushups.  Usually it's 10 pushups, but once for a bad offense 100 were prescribed.  The boys cooperate very well with this and it's also providing benefit to their bodies.  It's discipline you can use in public (because of course kids easily take advantage of a situation where there can be no punishment), raises a few eyebrows, but can't be labeled child abuse.  The kids appreciate this, because it gets the punishment out of the way, is much preferred to a long time-out.  My son-in-law also used this technique to great effect when teaching at an all boys high school.  He allowed his students to choose push-ups instead of demerits for misbehavior.

That push up idea is phenomenal.  Running laps could be used as well, I'd bet.  If I ever accidentally have any children, I shall be sure to try out your bro-in-law's method.

My uncle had an effective method as well.  One time my little cousin was being a turd at the restaurant and my aunt gave up and told him to deal with it.  He leaned over, whispered something, and that was that.  Perfect little cherub for the rest of dinner.  Eventually I had to know, so I asked.  He told him that if he didn't shut up immediately and stay shut up, he was going to take every toy and stuft animal at home, pile them up on the lawn, and then burn them and make him watch.   :D

I also have used push ups to good effect, in fact it had two benefits of which the second was to correct a lumbar lordosis which a paediatrician told us he could offer no treatment for. So now one 6' 5'' man with size 16 feet has a back as straight as any marine.


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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #506 on: October 17, 2013, 08:18:13 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #507 on: October 12, 2014, 05:20:13 PM »


Discipling children is the most important work of the parents.

However, discipline must be done with love and prayers.

Children teach us patience, love, temperance, etc., as the family is a school of sanctity and a Domestic Church.
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« Reply #508 on: October 12, 2014, 05:28:43 PM »
After reading many studies on this, I've completely resigned to not spanking my child except in the most extreme circumstances. Among things that I read, 1) spanking in the long term leads to disobedient children. 2) that it leads to strong negative feelings toward others in the long-term, and 3) that it could lower IQ and destroy brain matter in the long term.
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« Reply #509 on: October 12, 2014, 05:32:35 PM »
After reading many studies on this, I've completely resigned to not spanking my child except in the most extreme circumstances. Among things that I read, 1) spanking in the long term leads to disobedient children. 2) that it leads to strong negative feelings toward others in the long-term, and 3) that it could lower IQ and destroy brain matter in the long term.

One of the most important things a family can do is to avoid sugars of all kind and food processed with sugars.

This avoidance of sugar not only teaches a child discipline but also helps build their immune system.

I have seen well-behaved children act out and create scenes when given sugar. It is a poison.
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« Reply #510 on: October 12, 2014, 05:33:26 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.
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« Reply #511 on: October 12, 2014, 05:36:24 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #512 on: October 12, 2014, 06:31:13 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh, do you ascribe to the teachings of S.M. Davis, as well as Michael and Debi Pearl? 
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #513 on: October 12, 2014, 07:33:16 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

I might. It depends on whether you are just sheltering her from reality or whether she's genuinely learned these values for herself.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #514 on: October 12, 2014, 08:12:41 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.  

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her.  

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh, do you ascribe to the teachings of S.M. Davis, as well as Michael and Debi Pearl?  
I am glad Yeshuaisiam's daughter turned out well. Yesh is generally a nice poster here. I don't think her niceness has very much to do with being physically struck by him. It sounds like that was a very small, although needless and negative, part of her development (at best, we are talking about "negative reinforcement"), but generally they had a positive, close relationship and this closeness helped her development.
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« Reply #515 on: October 12, 2014, 09:28:25 PM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I am happy to hear that your daughter turned out well.  Hopefully she finds a husband worthy of her.
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« Reply #516 on: October 13, 2014, 01:08:33 AM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.  

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her.  

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh, do you ascribe to the teachings of S.M. Davis, as well as Michael and Debi Pearl?  
I am glad Yeshuaisiam's daughter turned out well. Yesh is generally a nice poster here. I don't think her niceness has very much to do with being physically struck by him. It sounds like that was a very small, although needless and negative, part of her development (at best, we are talking about "negative reinforcement"), but generally they had a positive, close relationship and this closeness helped her development.

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« Reply #517 on: October 13, 2014, 01:12:48 AM »
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« Reply #518 on: October 13, 2014, 03:03:45 AM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #519 on: October 13, 2014, 03:06:32 AM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh's daughter is going to be 30, unmarried, living with him, and not dating because no one meets Daddy's lofty standards for his princess.

That statement is reprehensible. Why are you so concerned about Yesh's daughter? Look at your own plate.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #520 on: October 13, 2014, 03:12:46 AM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh's daughter is going to be 30, unmarried, living with him, and not dating because no one meets Daddy's lofty standards for his princess.

Or scared of him, because of the beatings.

Notice parents who beat their kids only seem to remember if the kid does good things. If the kid does bad things, they never blame it on themselves for having beaten the kid.

Selective memory, that. I've read plenty of stories about criminals who said they were beaten by their parents.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #521 on: October 13, 2014, 03:30:37 AM »
I had to look up the Pearls, and what I found on the wiki nauseated me so much, I couldn't dig deeper, or look up the other guy either.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #522 on: October 13, 2014, 03:35:30 AM »
I had to look up the Pearls, and what I found on the wiki nauseated me so much, I couldn't dig deeper, or look up the other guy either.

Oh yeah. The Pearls' book has been found in the homes of several parents who killed their kids.
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« Reply #523 on: October 13, 2014, 04:02:27 AM »
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Is this about training up a child or a soldier in the Prussian army?

whether she's genuinely learned these values for herself.

She's 15. Even if she learned those values she should have unlearned it by now. Talking about rabbits and stitching, geez. I hope she talks about normal stuff when her father isn't listening in.

A rumspringa of unprecendented magnitude will probably kick in soon, and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on yesh's part, and a lot of schadefreude on my part; and it will have been all his fault for having been a drill sergeant.
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« Reply #524 on: October 13, 2014, 04:42:28 AM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh's daughter is going to be 30, unmarried, living with him, and not dating because no one meets Daddy's lofty standards for his princess.

That statement is reprehensible. Why are you so concerned about Yesh's daughter? Look at your own plate.

LOL. I'm not even going to try to refute this because there's no content here. Just outrage that I'm not impressed with Yesh and his pseudo-traditional lifestyle choices.
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« Reply #525 on: October 13, 2014, 04:45:04 AM »
Our daughter is almost 15.  When she was little we spanked her for any direct defiance or disobedience.  We taught her contentedness in small things and to be satisfied with simplicity.  We also homeschool.

I came in off the land today, and she made me some baked apples and fresh pizza.   :)

NEVER ONE TIME has she once back talked my wife or I.  She has no interest in makeup.  She has no interest in fashions or jewelry.  She can destroy me in bible trivia.

She has several like minded friends too.   I over hear the teenage conversations some times.... It's not about boys or gossip.  It's about canning, new bunnies born, goats & farming, and sewing stitch types etc. etc.   

....I'm unworthy to have a daughter like her. 

I feel sorry for your daughter.

Yesh's daughter is going to be 30, unmarried, living with him, and not dating because no one meets Daddy's lofty standards for his princess.

That statement is reprehensible. Why are you so concerned about Yesh's daughter? Look at your own plate.

Actually, Maria, I will say this. The exact situation I described has happened before with these weird 'Biblical Courtship' people. I'm not pulling this out of thin air.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #526 on: October 13, 2014, 04:47:28 AM »
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Is this about training up a child or a soldier in the Prussian army?

Don't give them ideas. It's not that hard to rustle up a firing squad among neighbours over there.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #527 on: October 13, 2014, 08:18:01 AM »
I had to look up the Pearls, and what I found on the wiki nauseated me so much, I couldn't dig deeper, or look up the other guy either.

He's worse, IMO.   What yesh wrote, and knowing he does homeschooling, reminded me of these folks and Bill Gothard.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #528 on: October 13, 2014, 09:19:27 AM »
I had to look up the Pearls, and what I found on the wiki nauseated me so much, I couldn't dig deeper, or look up the other guy either.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #529 on: October 13, 2014, 09:41:22 AM »
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If a child shows the least displeasure in response to a command or duty, it should be addressed as disobedience.
The Pearls

Is this about training up a child or a soldier in the Prussian army?

whether she's genuinely learned these values for herself.

She's 15. Even if she learned those values she should have unlearned it by now. Talking about rabbits and stitching, geez. I hope she talks about normal stuff when her father isn't listening in.

A rumspringa of unprecendented magnitude will probably kick in soon, and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on yesh's part, and a lot of schadefreude on my part; and it will have been all his fault for having been a drill sergeant.
Bah!  The Prussians were pansies. We train our kids to be kamikaze pilots here. They need to commit suicide on demand. That is God's will for their life. Obey your parents and all that...
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #530 on: October 13, 2014, 12:28:18 PM »
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Inside the Unholy World of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’
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On a pain scale of one to 10, Chelsea ranks the epidural-free birth of her child as a six. Her husband’s spankings? Those are an eight.

When Chelsea gets flummoxed by a question, she asks Clint for guidance in a voice so high-pitched that it belies her 28 years: “Honey, how long does the spanking usually last?” (About 5 minutes, Clint says.)

...Foremost, that the Bible commands a husband to be the head of the household, and the wife must submit to him, in every way, or face painful chastisement.

Where does the Bible supposedly say that? I don't think it does.
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Some practice “maintenance spanking,” wherein good girls are slapped on a schedule to remind them who’s boss...

As they see it, they’re fighting (and losing) a culture war against liberalism and feminism. There are no brick-and-mortar churches where adherents gather to pray and paddle.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html
They are just making up their own non-Orthodox religion.
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« Reply #531 on: October 13, 2014, 01:17:50 PM »
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Inside the Unholy World of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’
Brandy Zadrozny
On a pain scale of one to 10, Chelsea ranks the epidural-free birth of her child as a six. Her husband’s spankings? Those are an eight.

When Chelsea gets flummoxed by a question, she asks Clint for guidance in a voice so high-pitched that it belies her 28 years: “Honey, how long does the spanking usually last?” (About 5 minutes, Clint says.)

...Foremost, that the Bible commands a husband to be the head of the household, and the wife must submit to him, in every way, or face painful chastisement.

Where does the Bible supposedly say that? I don't think it does.
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Some practice “maintenance spanking,” wherein good girls are slapped on a schedule to remind them who’s boss...

As they see it, they’re fighting (and losing) a culture war against liberalism and feminism. There are no brick-and-mortar churches where adherents gather to pray and paddle.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html
They are just making up their own non-Orthodox religion.
what on earth is wrong with these people?
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #532 on: October 13, 2014, 01:29:21 PM »
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Inside the Unholy World of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’
Brandy Zadrozny
On a pain scale of one to 10, Chelsea ranks the epidural-free birth of her child as a six. Her husband’s spankings? Those are an eight.

When Chelsea gets flummoxed by a question, she asks Clint for guidance in a voice so high-pitched that it belies her 28 years: “Honey, how long does the spanking usually last?” (About 5 minutes, Clint says.)

...Foremost, that the Bible commands a husband to be the head of the household, and the wife must submit to him, in every way, or face painful chastisement.

Where does the Bible supposedly say that? I don't think it does.
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Some practice “maintenance spanking,” wherein good girls are slapped on a schedule to remind them who’s boss...

As they see it, they’re fighting (and losing) a culture war against liberalism and feminism. There are no brick-and-mortar churches where adherents gather to pray and paddle.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html
They are just making up their own non-Orthodox religion.

I'll take bog-standard BDSMers over such nuts anyday. At least those believe in explicit consent and safe words.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #533 on: October 13, 2014, 01:40:58 PM »
Yesh just said he spanked his daughter. The Pearls and their ilk talk about 5-minute spankings that hurt worse than giving birth. Is that what yesh is doing or is it something much milder?
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #534 on: October 13, 2014, 01:51:50 PM »
Yesh just said he spanked his daughter. The Pearls and their ilk talk about 5-minute spankings that hurt worse than giving birth. Is that what yesh is doing or is it something much milder?
In all fairness, the quote I cited about giving birth was not from the Pearls.

However, the Pearls have their own problems. I think they might say to hit kids until they stop crying. That's pretty intense.

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« Reply #535 on: October 13, 2014, 03:24:52 PM »
The Pearls and their ilk talk about 5-minute spankings that hurt worse than giving birth.

Five minute spankings are barbaric. Such beatings show that the parents are out of control.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #536 on: October 13, 2014, 03:28:12 PM »
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Inside the Unholy World of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’
Brandy Zadrozny
On a pain scale of one to 10, Chelsea ranks the epidural-free birth of her child as a six. Her husband’s spankings? Those are an eight.

When Chelsea gets flummoxed by a question, she asks Clint for guidance in a voice so high-pitched that it belies her 28 years: “Honey, how long does the spanking usually last?” (About 5 minutes, Clint says.)

...Foremost, that the Bible commands a husband to be the head of the household, and the wife must submit to him, in every way, or face painful chastisement.

Where does the Bible supposedly say that? I don't think it does.
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Some practice “maintenance spanking,” wherein good girls are slapped on a schedule to remind them who’s boss...

As they see it, they’re fighting (and losing) a culture war against liberalism and feminism. There are no brick-and-mortar churches where adherents gather to pray and paddle.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html
They are just making up their own non-Orthodox religion.
what on earth is wrong with these people?
That is a rather strange way to blend religion and weird sexual fetish.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #537 on: October 13, 2014, 06:08:23 PM »
That statement is reprehensible. Why are you so concerned about (person we don't like at the moment)? Look at your own plate.
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Re: Spanking - Yea or Nay?
« Reply #538 on: October 13, 2014, 06:14:57 PM »
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Inside the Unholy World of ‘Christian Domestic Discipline’
Brandy Zadrozny
On a pain scale of one to 10, Chelsea ranks the epidural-free birth of her child as a six. Her husband’s spankings? Those are an eight.

When Chelsea gets flummoxed by a question, she asks Clint for guidance in a voice so high-pitched that it belies her 28 years: “Honey, how long does the spanking usually last?” (About 5 minutes, Clint says.)

...Foremost, that the Bible commands a husband to be the head of the household, and the wife must submit to him, in every way, or face painful chastisement.

Where does the Bible supposedly say that? I don't think it does.
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Some practice “maintenance spanking,” wherein good girls are slapped on a schedule to remind them who’s boss...

As they see it, they’re fighting (and losing) a culture war against liberalism and feminism. There are no brick-and-mortar churches where adherents gather to pray and paddle.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/19/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-world-of-christian-domestic-discipline.html
They are just making up their own non-Orthodox religion.
what on earth is wrong with these people?
That is a rather strange way to blend religion and weird sexual fetish.
Yes. But spanking has a sexual aspect as biological studies show, although probably people rarely realize that.

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« Reply #539 on: October 13, 2014, 06:18:02 PM »
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