What is the source of the original quote posted by Serb 1389?
It sounds a lot like Met. John Zizoulias (sp?) of Pergamum, or one a respective counterpart in the RC, but I could be way off.
Forgive me for saying so, but this is typical ecumenical bs, saying that we are lacking something. We may be lacking actual people, but we don't lack the true faith. Having one does not equal the other.
As I said in my original post, the quotes were from a class I took at Holy Cross: Ecclesiology. So the quotes were from a lecture that I thought was pertinent to my question. If you want the whole document you can see some of the background to this, and some of the further explanations. I think I would be breaking copyright laws if I posted the whole thing (not sure about it but didn't want to risk it).
How exactly are we lacking something, and how did you get that idea from what I posted? I thought that his convoluted way of saying things rather explained that we HAVE and ARE the church, but at the same time the other churches "subsist" (Lumen Gentium) or have a part of the faith, truth, etc. so does that mean that necessarily we DON'T have the whole church.
I think it's just very convoluted, which is why I was trying to find some help. PLUS the problem has been brought up in other threads, so I thought i'd just synthesize and bring it all to one thread to bring the question of One Holy Catholic and Apostolic, to the fro.
I think it would be great if anyone could tackle these statements.