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« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2012, 02:51:37 PM » |
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Asteriktos already did a great job explaining this, so I'll be short. To me, a "tradition of God" is something that draws us closer to Christ, or has scriptural basis. For example, iconography has its roots in the Old Testament. A tradition of man can be a simple cultural exchange that doesn't really have a lot of dogmatic meaning to it. For example, it is tradition amongst Ukrainians that when someone important comes to your home you greet them with bread and salt. Ukraine is known for her wheat (the yellow in the flag represents the wheat, the azure the sky) and bread and salt are sort of "here, you need this to live, so we give it to you while wearing ridiculous costumes!" (say it with Slavic accent and it becomes funny)  ("Why must we wear such funny hats?!")  ("Here is your last meal before you will be arrested for standing up for democracy!")  (Don't they know carbs are out?! Protein is in!) Because of this tradition, whenever a Bishop visits a parish, the first thing that happens is they are greeted by the young girls in the parish in said ridiculous costumes with bread and salt. Now, if we did not do this, would we go to hell? My Ukrainian Baba says yes, but her opinion is not relevant to this discussion.  The true answer, is no. It's a custom of man. emphasis mine |
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Vain existence can never exist, for \\\"unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain.\\\" (Psalm 127)
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« Reply #138 on: January 17, 2012, 09:24:25 AM » |
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I believe the Macedonians speak Bulgarian and so their liturgy would be in Church Slavonic
Macedonians speak <gasp> Macedonian. Ethnic group X must speak language Y (due to refusing to recognize language X due to petty nationalistic squabble) and therefore their liturgy must be in language Z (which is neither X nor Y). Orthodox logic FTW! Masterpiece! |
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formerly known as mikeDespite being a Polish citizen I am not a Pole. Long live Belarus! "It's my constitutional right!" |
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« Reply #139 on: January 17, 2012, 05:48:55 PM » |
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I thought you were a Protestant. My error.
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« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2012, 12:58:14 PM » |
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This problem exists in many EO parishes as well. I have gotten to know a number of lifelong members (cradles) since converting, and many of them know almost nothing about the distinctive features of the faith. Words like Theosis elicit a blank stare, while an understanding of the differences between Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism is almost non-existent. And these are not only people from the Old Country, but people born and raised in the Church here.
A lot of converts like myself converted to Orthodoxy after years of study, reading numerous books on Orthodox history and theology which convinced us of the truth of the Orthodox faith. It comes as a bit of a shock after joining a parish to discover that people born into the Church, and being active in a parish for decades, have little knowledge of terms like prelest, Orthopraxy, the Christological controversies of the early Church, the Orthodox view of the Atonement, and all the other subjects we discuss here on the forum.
Of course I am not questioning their commitment or personal piety, but it is still quite surprising to experience.
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« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2012, 08:03:45 PM » |
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Son of a gun! OC.net starts a thread about the need for a letter from the EA and... BANG... later that same day the letter appears on the EA's web site. Now THAT is power!!! Careful how you use it. |
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« Reply #143 on: February 10, 2012, 01:05:39 PM » |
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4)About the repetition of the Jesus prayer, as you said the snail got into the ark by perseverance...
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« Reply #145 on: February 28, 2012, 07:57:59 PM » |
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. |
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« Reply #146 on: February 28, 2012, 08:10:58 PM » |
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. LOL |
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« Reply #147 on: February 29, 2012, 06:53:23 AM » |
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. Are anybody actually following that? |
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« Reply #148 on: February 29, 2012, 10:22:11 AM » |
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. Are anybody actually following that? In public - more often than not. There is plenty of underaged drinking, but it is usually punished. But the overriding concept of American law is this: Cop didn't see it, I didn't do it. |
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. Are anybody actually following that? In public - more often than not. There is plenty of underaged drinking, but it is usually punished. But the overriding concept of American law is this: Cop didn't see it, I didn't do it.  |
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« Reply #150 on: February 29, 2012, 06:23:03 PM » |
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I submit the following from the recent Free-for-All Religious Topic thread about Ecumenism. The topic is whether Christ was able to be tempted or not:
Sometimes, I fancy myself rather clever. Then someone talks christology and I am mindblown.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." --Bertrand Russell
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« Reply #151 on: February 29, 2012, 06:23:42 PM » |
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. Are anybody actually following that? In public - more often than not. There is plenty of underaged drinking, but it is usually punished. But the overriding concept of American law is this: Cop didn't see it, I didn't do it. If this wasn't already in the Quotable quotes thread, I'd put it there.  Though I never willfully or knowingly tasted alcohol outside of mouthwash before I was 21 (though I'm pretty sure I had rum balls once, but I was never sure just what they were made of). I was raised Methodist, and they use grape juice for communion. I had my first alcoholic beverage in the Cheers bar in Boston, as I intended it. |
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." --Bertrand Russell
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« Reply #152 on: March 01, 2012, 12:29:55 AM » |
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Though I never willfully or knowingly tasted alcohol outside of mouthwash before I was 21 (though I'm pretty sure I had rum balls once, but I was never sure just what they were made of). I was raised Methodist, and they use grape juice for communion. I had my first alcoholic beverage in the Cheers bar in Boston, as I intended it.
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« Reply #153 on: March 01, 2012, 01:13:18 AM » |
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Though I never willfully or knowingly tasted alcohol outside of mouthwash before I was 21 (though I'm pretty sure I had rum balls once, but I was never sure just what they were made of). I was raised Methodist, and they use grape juice for communion. I had my first alcoholic beverage in the Cheers bar in Boston, as I intended it.
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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." --Bertrand Russell
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. Are anybody actually following that? I've never drank, but pretty much every single other person my age I know has. All the parties have beer. So no, not really. |
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I'm going to drink for the first time when I can finally receive the Eucharist
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« Reply #156 on: March 01, 2012, 02:20:50 AM » |
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I submit the following from the recent Free-for-All Religious Topic thread about Ecumenism. The topic is whether Christ was able to be tempted or not:
Sometimes, I fancy myself rather clever. Then someone talks christology and I am mindblown.
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The Episcopallian road is easy and wide, for many go through it to find destruction. lol sorry channeling Isa.
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Instant classic. PS The drinking age in the US is 21. Pagan country. Are anybody actually following that? I've never drank, but pretty much every single other person my age I know has. All the parties have beer. So no, not really. I just think it's funny. I first tasted alcohol when I was 13, the traditional age for danes(though many children below that age have tasted alcohol). There is no drinking age in Denmark so it's pretty foreign to us.  |
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« Reply #158 on: March 01, 2012, 05:21:52 AM » |
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I submit the following from the recent Free-for-All Religious Topic thread about Ecumenism. The topic is whether Christ was able to be tempted or not:
Sometimes, I fancy myself rather clever. Then someone talks christology and I am mindblown.
Well said, akimori, well said. Awesome. I finally made it into this thread, haha. I also made sure to put that quote up on my Facebook and Twitter. I was very amused, because I have been in the same situation. |
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« Reply #159 on: March 02, 2012, 02:11:31 PM » |
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I'm glad that you are advocating the eradication of four part harmony and Western-style choral music. No need for Rachmaninoff's compositions in the Orthodox Church.
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« Reply #160 on: March 02, 2012, 02:55:02 PM » |
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I'm going to drink for the first time when I can finally receive the Eucharist
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
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« Reply #161 on: March 02, 2012, 07:18:43 PM » |
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I'm going to drink for the first time when I can finally receive the Eucharist
I'm not even sure I would consider that "drinking". But all the same, congratulations. well it is still alcohol. but i could definitely see your point. |
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What do you call a Protestant who learns Church History? An Orthodox Catechumen.
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Truth exists. Only lies are invented.
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Truth exists. Only lies are invented.
I can't wait until the Orthodox Church canonized you as a saint so I can do 100 prostrations to al your brilliant quips. |
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this one's for all of you "end times" calculators: 
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Vain existence can never exist, for \\\"unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain.\\\" (Psalm 127)
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« Reply #170 on: April 04, 2012, 01:28:50 AM » |
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Didn't think it was possible. Wrong yet again. I forgot the maps
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« Reply #172 on: April 05, 2012, 12:36:01 AM » |
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Who can take that clown of Piper seriously? If he were of the other gender I would know what he needed, but like this, it's confusing.
RHE would be so confused by your statement above. Well, from the few videos of him I saw, it seems he hasn't got laid in a loooong time . LOL!  That's one way to get to the point. |
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Nice. Maybe some day also The Orthodox in Finland will celebrate Orthodox Easter.
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Yuns guys are doing it wrong. World views are malleable, looks are not. Find someone you're attracted to, and then negotiate which religion/philosophy you can mutually agree to.  I prefer the method of swinging a 99 knot prayer rope back and forth in front of a girl's face like a hypnotist's watch, while whispering: "you are getting a phronema... you are getting a phronema... when I metanya three times, you will accept the dogmatic declaration of Nicea II!". If she backs away awkwardly, she's a goner. If she scowls and asks why I haven't moved on to 150 knots, I know she's a potential keeper. |
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"A Poet a Painter a Musician an Architect: the Man Or Woman who is not one of these is not a Christian." - William Blake
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« Reply #176 on: April 10, 2012, 05:42:37 PM » |
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Calvinism is a resurgence of gnosticism. Gnosticism is a resurgence of Straw Man. That was brilliantly played by Alveus. |
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We cannot legislate morality by passing laws controlling firearms. The only evil we can combat lies within our hearts. We need stronger laws to protect the moral foundation of society against the evil of gay marriage. |
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Michał Kalina
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« Reply #177 on: April 17, 2012, 12:15:18 PM » |
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A pic that showed up on my Facebook page from Holy Friday services at St. Sophia's Greek Cathedral in Los Angeles: Look who's carrying the epitaphion.  Letting a xenos carry the epitaphion ... 'Bout time. |
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formerly known as mikeDespite being a Polish citizen I am not a Pole. Long live Belarus! "It's my constitutional right!" |
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primuspilus
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« Reply #178 on: April 17, 2012, 12:18:27 PM » |
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I dig the gloves.
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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"
Gregory the Great
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« Reply #179 on: April 17, 2012, 03:49:21 PM » |
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Didn't think it was possible. Wrong yet again. I forgot the maps
It's like Nietzsche's aphorism, "I forgot my umbrella." |
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O Master Lord our God...who are wondrous in glory; who keeps his covenant and his mercy to them who love him with all their heart; who has given us redemption...through his only-begotten son, Jesus Christ...the life of everyone, the help of those who flee to him, the hope of those who cry to him.
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