OCnet Quotable Quotes

[Michał Kalina]

The priest should remove the boy's hat for him. He can have it back after Liturgy and a stern lecture.

if only...   .  as my priest would say, "that was back hen Churches were made of wood and priests were made of gold, not the other way around..."

[Achronos]

the IC is so pregnant with heresy that it has given birth to much mischief in the Vatican's theology.

One of many brilliantly funny ialmisry quips.

I should compose a book of all his quips.

Tags edited - MK.

[Michał Kalina]

I would say I lean more traditionally, but my Priest thinks it's ridiculous, and a Monk seems concerned so I confused. I personally don't think that God would punish an innocent child.  My husband did not want to abstain during Lent. I could have or not. It was dependent on him. He is deployed now so now I am abstaining :-)

I'm going to guess that your priest is married and the monk is not.

[Asteriktos]

Obviously, there's more to Orthodoxy than only canonicity.

Funny hats.

[Michał Kalina]

I'm very tempted to contact them, at the very least, concerning the spelling errors on the website.

[Asteriktos]

As for stone age barbarians, I suspect Catholic-Orthodox intermarriage was a problem that didn't concern them much.

[Michał Kalina]

When I went to New Gracanica For Resurrection Matins ,They Used Quite a Bit Of english ,it's sounded Awful especially the choir, I even let  the Chior know that they sounded Awful ,when we were in line to recieve the red eggs.....

Well, that's lovely.

[Michał Kalina]

Christ is risen!

*Please be patient with me*

I have been studying Orthodoxy for nearly 7 months now, but I seem to be going around in circles in regards to some issues; when I seem to resolve an issue, a few new ones pop up to create more stumbling blocks for me.  For 7 years of my life I was a Muslim; I then discovered Christianity through the Bible and professed faith in Christ. Then for another 6 years I had considered myself a Christian without any denomination, but that always bothered me that the Protestants were all so divided and contradicting of one another. So i've come to a certain conclusion (for many reasons) that Protestantism is actually anti-christian. So i'm now praying that Christ will deliver me to His one true Church - which is the Catholic faith - but which one?

Right now my biggest issue is who's claim to be the original Church is legitimate - Roman Catholicism or Orthodox Catholicism? From my understanding, the Archbishop of Rome (the Pope) was universally recognized to be the leader of the Church. So why did the Eastern churches deny his authority, which seemed to have existed ever since St.Peter? The Folioque is another issue as well ,and to be honest it's not an issue I find easy to make a decision on; both sides can make convincing arguments on the matter - so i'd rather focus on who has the true authority to make a final decision.

Orthodox claims to have continued on a straight path ever since the day of Pentecost, but I see so many schisms in it's history. The Coptic Orthodox schism in particular seems very ridiculous to me, seeing how both the Eastern Orthodox and Coptics both believe in the same exact thing (with different phrasing). Yet it's taken hundreds upon hundreds of years, and they're now just starting to slowly resolve the issues. It just seems to me that the Church has grown overly bureaucratic and prideful; whereas Christ would want the Church to humble itself and make amends with each other quickly - as unresolved conflict amongst brethren is quite the serious sin according to the Bible.

 Then there's the matter of evangelism. When you look at the Apostles and early christians, they were constantly striving to deliver the good news of Christ to the world. If Orthodoxy is the true Church, and it alone holds the Holy Sacraments and other powers of the Holy Spirit, then why isn't the Orthodox Church making greater effort to spread the truth to the world - particularly America? If all the Patriarchates are in full communion with one another - why don't they make more attempt to work together and spread the gospel and do the good works of Christ on a united front? Most Orthodox churches i've seen in America seem to get together for the occasional Greek Festival, or celebration of a particular holy day, but never get together to fullfill the Great Commission or unleash the gifts of the Holy Spirit upon the earth.

Then there's the issue of the local Churches I been visiting. When I walk into the first Antiochian church I ever been to, I see the "One Eye" centered in the middle of all the Holy Icons and Tabernacle. From my experience, this is an occult symbol associated with Masonry. From what I have read, Orthodoxy prohibits membership to Free Masonry. So is my association of the "One Eye" with Free Masonry wrong do you think, or is this an ancient Christian symbol? From my research thus far, I am leery of infiltration in the Church (ex: Soviet infiltration nearly wiped Orthodoxy off the planet in the USSR).

So my viewpoint thus far, is that Roman Catholics seem to be in better communion globally, and pool their resources toward evangelism more effectively. So i'd like to know if my viewpoint wrong - if so why? I have many other issues to discuss (Roman & Orthodox views of homosexually, Marriage, the "many paths that lead to the same God" lie, and others) but will delay them for another time. I know some of the things i've said might offend, but they're serious issues I believe we all must be honest with ourselves; my mind is open to listen to anything you all might have to say. I thank you in advance for helping me with these questions.

Lord Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on us - sinners!

I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet, so I'll have to return to this, but in the meantime, what type of Muslim background are you from, if I may ask?

Also, remember that Orthodoxy is the right religion, it is just given to the wrong people.  The Church is the only institution dedicated to those who shouldn't be in it.

[Michał Kalina]

The only thing worse than Baptism by pouring is healing on the Sabbath! 

[Shanghaiski]

Quote from: poslushnik on Today at 12:09:53 AM
XB!

What a shame and publicity stunt! In case of emergency (Death Bed or going to War) where massive  Water is not available they could pour as an "economia" but if the recepients were to survive they would have to be properly Baptised.In Serbia since the Communist take-over almost NO-ONE who wants to be in good will with ALL is Canonically administering the mystery of Baptism.In the picture of Decani Monastery it looks like Bp.Artemy is standing on the shore while His Vicar is immersing,and most are familiar how Bp.Artemy is being persecuted currently.In the book of needs,it fully explains what a Bishop should do to a Priest who does not Baptise correctly,when there is no emergency;the Priest should be Defrocked! but then again the Bishop would have to be Orthodox.Is there any wonder why Holy Serbia is getting smaller and smaller all the time?
Such utter BS.
Warmest paschal greetings.

[PoorFoolNicholas]

PetertheAleut:

Something else to think about, PFN:

I notice that in one post you mention your desire to pray more and your love for a particular office of prayer, yet your posts so frequently show the same hot-tempered snarkiness that defines this thread. Do you not notice the disconnect?

     

[JamesRottnek]

videotape the ceremony for the benefit of future similar inquiries .

Just make sure you warn UN outposts in Orthodox countries before you put the burning on youtube.

[minasoliman]

I am suffering from convert burnout. 

I feel like the more I learn about Orthodoxy, the less I want to study Orthodoxy. And I'm not even talking about the nature of the Trinity or prayer. I'm talking about issues like the calendar, the OCA, ecumenism, heterodoxy blah blah blah.

The academic part of me is curious and soaking up all the info like a sponge. The other part of me thinks, "Who really cares?" I think God will laugh at me and say, "Why didn't you spend your time with your family instead of reading articles online about a certain priest in the OCA?"

I just WANT TO BE ORTHODOX. Does that make any sense? I think I'm going crazy.

http://pithlessthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/12/orthographs-1.html

[Asteriktos]

By popular demand...

But is being "in communion" really a big deal when you already have "open communion"?

[tuesdayschild]

There is a canon about this, I'm sure.

QFT. Applicable to all topics.

[Michał Kalina]

Does anyone think I should just ask FrChris permission to access the private fora even though I haven't even been here for two weeks? I guess it couldn't hurt to try.

So... should I? I just want to get advice from more experienced posters on OC.net so I don't look like a complete fool for asking him prematurely. But, I assume 'one month' means 'one month'. I was just wondering if there were any exceptions.

I heard a story about someone who was here 3 weeks and asked FrChris to join the private fora. FrChris showed up at his house and murdered his entire family.

[IsmiLiora]

^ 

[Cognomen]

From the "Oldest reference to venerating Icons" thread:

"Paint a bunch of icons of our Lord and the saints and then kiss them. Also, pray to Mary after she dies in the future."

~ The Epistle of St. Paul to the Antiochians, 46 AD.

[dcommini]

Does anyone think I should just ask FrChris permission to access the private fora even though I haven't even been here for two weeks? I guess it couldn't hurt to try.

So... should I? I just want to get advice from more experienced posters on OC.net so I don't look like a complete fool for asking him prematurely. But, I assume 'one month' means 'one month'. I was just wondering if there were any exceptions.

I heard a story about someone who was here 3 weeks and asked FrChris to join the private fora. FrChris showed up at his house and murdered his entire family.

This had me rolling 

[serb1389]

The properties were stolen by the Communists.

It was communism.  No private property.  The whole country was stolen.

[serb1389]

So, ghosts are sort of the laser shows and gateway drugs of the demonic arsenal. As Christians it's best to just stay away. Nothing good can come from it.

[Asteriktos]

Was the plan that Adam would pick a peach off a tree, eat it, poop out the whole peach, and then stick it back on the tree?

[Michał Kalina]

PICTURE WAR!

Isa already launched the nukes, and decimated the enemy.

[Achronos]

PICTURE WAR!

Isa already launched the nukes, and decimated the enemy.

LOL

[akimori makoto]

Guess what, guys and gals.  All this re-hashed arguing is irrelevant if the recently signed documents mean what they appear to mean - that ROCOR is back in full communion with the MP, and thusly the other "world" Orthodox jurisdictions.  It's utterly meaningless to continue going over the Sergianism bugaboo if ROCOR has apparently gotten over it.  Unless, of course, you're in a parish that's about to go "Protestantal", so to speak, and bolt ROCOR to create a new True ROCOR jurisdiction.

And give us a Russian Orthodox Church Outside the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia? (ROCOROCOR if you want the acronym)

[Achronos]

Orange trees develop over time. Isn't this the development of doctrine idea?

No.  Orange trees do not produce apples. 

[PeterTheAleut]

This thread is poorly named. A more accurate title for this thread would be "cure for insomnia."   

The thread to which she refers is this: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,37983.0.html

[Michał Kalina]

That one:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39235.msg630147.html#msg630147

[genesisone]

That one:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39235.msg630147.html#msg630147

When I clicked:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

[PeterTheAleut]

That one:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39235.msg630147.html#msg630147

When I clicked:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

That's because the post Michal linked is on the Private Forum; therefore, only those with access to the Private Forum can read it.

[genesisone]

That one:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39235.msg630147.html#msg630147

When I clicked:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

That's because the post Michal linked is on the Private Forum; therefore, only those with access to the Private Forum can read it.

I figured that was it, but I was hoping to get Michał Kalina's attention to copy the text (if such is allowed), if not, I'm not sure why it's here at all.

[PeterTheAleut]

That one:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39235.msg630147.html#msg630147

When I clicked:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

That's because the post Michal linked is on the Private Forum; therefore, only those with access to the Private Forum can read it.

I figured that was it, but I was hoping to get Michał Kalina's attention to copy the text (if such is allowed), if not, I'm not sure why it's here at all.

Quoting Private Forum posts on the Public Forum is forbidden, which Michal knows very well as a moderator. He therefore did as much as he was permitted to do.

[genesisone]

That one:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39235.msg630147.html#msg630147

When I clicked:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

That's because the post Michal linked is on the Private Forum; therefore, only those with access to the Private Forum can read it.

I figured that was it, but I was hoping to get Michał Kalina's attention to copy the text (if such is allowed), if not, I'm not sure why it's here at all.

Quoting Private Forum posts on the Public Forum is forbidden, which Michal knows very well as a moderator. He therefore did as much as he was permitted to do.

So, it really isn't a "quotable quote". I wonder what a thread of "unquotable quotes" would look like  .

[Michał Kalina]

This one: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39450.msg635531.html#msg635531

[genesisone]

This one: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,39450.msg635531.html#msg635531

Michał Kalina, it's really frustrating for those of us who have chosen NOT to have access to the private forums to read this. If the quote isn't quotable, then it isn't a "quotable quote".

[biro]

It was a cute picture of a kid tilting his head and looking at a computer. There was a 'lol' line, 'Not sure if serious!'

[Aindriú]

It was a cute picture of a kid tilting his head and looking at a computer. There was a 'lol' line, 'Not sure if serious!'

LOL at your simulated funny.

[Asteriktos]

[vamrat]

FrChris, ladies and gentlemen:

Jersey Shore makes me hope that the Mayan Calendar is correct.

A show so horrifying that it make an apocalyptic demise seem favorable.

[Ioannis Climacus]

This is an old one, but I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. In response to Kaste, a self-proclaimed "member of the Invisible Church", Alveus Lacuna responded :

You're visible again!

[Michał Kalina]

As an outsider, I am just as informed and knowledgeable about Eastern Orthodoxy as someone who is actually Eastern Orthodox.

[Asteriktos]

This might be unrelated. But why do Atheist have funerals anyway?

[Cognomen]

As an outsider, I am just as informed and knowledgeable about Eastern Orthodoxy as someone who is actually Eastern Orthodox.

  Perfect.

[PeterTheAleut]

^Well, those who live by the sword shouldn't expect to come up against butter knives. People being people, and all that.   

[PeterTheAleut]

This one: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,40163.msg652013.html#msg652013

(Because it's on the Politics board, I cannot quote it here.)

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