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« on: January 26, 2009, 01:16:40 PM »

I have been taught that we should not brush our teeth before Liturgy, but this does not seem to be a universal practice.

Is this a common practice?

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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 01:28:27 PM »

Go ahead and brush.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 01:32:11 PM »

I have been taught that we should not brush our teeth before Liturgy, but this does not seem to be a universal practice.

Is this a common practice?

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This is yayaology. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYONE AROUND YOU BRUSH YOUR TEETH AND USE MOUTHWASH!!!!!!!

If you brush your teeth correctly you will not be breaking a fast since you should not be swallowing any of the items you use to keep your mouth fresh and clean. Also please shower before liturgy and use deodorant. Lastly SAY NO TO BIRKENSTOCKS!!!!
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 01:38:22 PM »

This is yayaology.

For those in churches of Slav derivation, "Baba theology".   Wink  Not to say that baba theology is always wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 01:47:19 PM »

I've been explained that since I washed my teeth in the evening and after that I've not eaten anything they're still clean in the morning Smiley I also don't take medicines when I have to and I take Holy Communion at that day.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 01:54:12 PM »


This is yayaology.


I loved it.  Grin Grin Grin Thanks for the term.  Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 01:56:03 PM »

I've been explained that since I washed my teeth in the evening and after that I've not eaten anything they're still clean in the morning Smiley I also don't take medicines when I have to and I take Holy Communion at that day.

Mike, seriously, if you need to take your medicine, please do take it. I believe it's just unreasonable to abstain from medication just because you will go to the Chalice.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 02:00:56 PM »

It wasn't some serious things but some cold-killers, vitamins or something like that. It could wait.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 02:32:59 PM »

I have been taught that we should not brush our teeth before Liturgy, but this does not seem to be a universal practice.

Is this a common practice?

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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 02:53:55 PM »


As children we loved "Feast" days at church, when we would partake of Holy Communion and get annointed after the Liturgy.

On those days our mother allowed us NOT to brush our teeth (so as not to wash out the Holy Communion - we were also not allowed to spit, eat anything like chicken with bones [because you would remove the bones from your mouth], cherries with pits, no chewing gum, etc.) and we didn't have to WASH our faces (so as not to wash off the holy myrrh)!

Such simple things bring such joy to little minds!  We got to "break" the rules and not get punished!   laugh

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 02:55:48 PM »

I have been taught that we should not brush our teeth before Liturgy, but this does not seem to be a universal practice.

Is this a common practice?

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Whatever you do, don't brush for a while after communing.

I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, but I would define "a while" in this instance as in at least until after I got home from church...but I rarely brush my teeth in the middle of the day anyways, so NA to me.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 08:40:08 PM »

I have been taught that we should not brush our teeth before Liturgy, but this does not seem to be a universal practice.

I'd hate to sing in that choir.

Is this a common practice?

I've never heard of it.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 08:50:53 PM »

This is yayaology.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 10:26:38 PM »

For the love of God brush your teeth! It's stuff like that that make me want to whip out my club.
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 11:36:27 AM »

People, brush your teeth before communion.  You'll clean the rest of your body and dress up in nice Sunday clothes before Divine Liturgy, so why not clean out your mouth as well?  Trust me, the priest does not want to smell your nasty morning breath when you come up to the chalice with your mouth wide open.

All joking aside, we need to really examine the purpose of communion.  It is to be united with God through Christ and with our fellow Christians.  Piety is a good thing, but when we get so focused on things like whether I should brush my teeth or take my medicine before communion or not, you're replacing the whole nature of communion with "pious practice," and that is not a good thing.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 12:22:25 PM »

I've been explained that since I washed my teeth in the evening and after that I've not eaten anything they're still clean in the morning.
That's not true, actually. There are hordes of bacteria that do their worst damage while you're asleep. In fact, this is the chief reason why the American Dental Association recommends brushing your teeth just before you go to sleep and just after you wake up.

And please, for the love of jelly doughnuts,

BRUSH YOUR TEETH BEFORE LITURGY!

NOT EVERYTHING HAS A CANON TO THINK FOR YOU!

JUST TRY TO LIVE LIKE CHRIST, OKAY?!


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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2009, 01:56:53 PM »

I don't have an opinion either way. I simply wanted to see what other people practiced.

In fact, even though it is not a big deal to me, it seems a little strange (for those who say you shouldn't brush your teeth) that you can down coffee, etc right after Liturgy.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2009, 02:26:41 PM »

I always brush my teeth, but I'm careful not swallow anything. I just spit it all out, it's not that hard.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2009, 02:37:48 PM »

From the perspective of a priest...

Yes, please feel free to bruch your teeth and use mouthwash prior to the Liturgy.

Please also take medicines if you need to. I have heard of a woman (not in my current parish) who had a traffic accident on the way to the Liturgy because she refused to take her medicine and she blacked out while behind the wheel. Another person on a motorcycle was hit and killed, and she has to carry this feeling of guilt with her for the rest of her life.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 03:16:21 PM »

I do not see the point.... Huh
Even you swallowed water during brushing kata lathos,you still can attend liturgy,the only difference is:you should not eat your antidoron immediately after the liturgy,but keep it for monday morning.
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 03:21:33 PM »

I wish ytterbiumanalyst would clarify his feelings on the issue. I'm a little lost.  Huh  Tongue  laugh
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2009, 02:48:25 PM »

I do not see the point.... Huh
Even you swallowed water during brushing kata lathos,you still can attend liturgy,the only difference is:you should not eat your antidoron immediately after the liturgy,but keep it for monday morning.
What??? Who fast before eating antidoron?Huh
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2009, 04:33:02 PM »

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YOUR PRIEST, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR, BRUSH YOUR TEETH!!!
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2009, 05:01:44 PM »

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YOUR PRIEST, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR, BRUSH YOUR TEETH!!!
Is this a local custom or one which applies to the whole Church? Wink
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2009, 05:03:28 PM »

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Yes, we do......and do it for both great and lesser holy water.... Grin
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2009, 05:07:49 PM »

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YOUR PRIEST, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR, BRUSH YOUR TEETH!!!
Is this a local custom or one which applies to the whole Church? Wink
Well, I certainly don't offer it up as anything dogmatic, so my answer to your question is neither. Wink  Practically speaking, I just don't want to smell someone else's bad breath, and I don't think they want to smell mine. Lips Sealed
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2009, 05:53:52 PM »

I wish ytterbiumanalyst would clarify his feelings on the issue. I'm a little lost.  Huh  Tongue  laugh
laugh I've been a part of legalistic churches before, and they're full of people who frequently make a really big deal out of nothing. Orthodoxy is in no way legalistic (though it seems to appear that way to my Pentecostal friends who attend an almost-anything-goes service with dancing and rock music), so I have a reason for wanting to state, even adamantly, that Orthodoxy is not legalistic.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2009, 06:44:17 PM »

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Yes, we do......and do it for both great and lesser holy water.... Grin
The Holy Water I understand but to fast for antidoron is just plain stupid. The antidoron is the instead of the gifts and if you didn't take communion because of a lack of fast you should therefore partake of the antidoron. It is just bread after all.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2009, 10:55:45 PM »

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Yes, we do......and do it for both great and lesser holy water.... Grin
The Holy Water I understand but to fast for antidoron is just plain stupid. The antidoron is the instead of the gifts and if you didn't take communion because of a lack of fast you should therefore partake of the antidoron. It is just bread after all.
Makes me wonder, why didn't you take communion if you have to fast?

I do not see the point.... Huh
Even you swallowed water during brushing kata lathos,you still can attend liturgy,the only difference is:you should not eat your antidoron immediately after the liturgy,but keep it for monday morning.

kata lathos?  You mean by accident?

Why keep it to Monday morning?

But then I'd say if you swallowed water during brushing kata lathos, but otherwise prepared, take communion.
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2009, 11:56:45 PM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?   Cheesy  Roll Eyes  angel
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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2009, 12:12:49 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?   Cheesy  Roll Eyes  angel
Why?  Because you don't like it?
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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2009, 12:15:23 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?   Cheesy  Roll Eyes  angel
Why?  Because you don't like it?

You can telepathically read my mind?   Roll Eyes
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Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?   Cheesy  Roll Eyes  angel
Why?  Because you don't like it?

You can telepathically read my mind?   Roll Eyes
No, you're just bad at not telegraphing your mind. Wink
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2009, 01:09:35 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?

Thank you so much for bringing this up.  I cannot stand pews and think that they should be removed from all Orthodox churches immediately; no exceptions.  I think we should start a separate thread on this issue.  Can I get an amen?
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2009, 01:15:35 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?

Thank you so much for bringing this up.  I cannot stand pews and think that they should be removed from all Orthodox churches immediately; no exceptions.  I think we should start a separate thread on this issue.  Can I get an amen?

Plenty of threads have already exhausted this DEAD topic. Which is why it's referred to as a DEAD topic, because it's been discussed to DEATH. Do a search and see for yourself.
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2009, 01:39:29 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?

Thank you so much for bringing this up.  I cannot stand pews and think that they should be removed from all Orthodox churches immediately; no exceptions.  I think we should start a separate thread on this issue.  Can I get an amen?

Alveus, I'm wishing for the death of the current thread (e.g. brushing teeth) and not a thread which has died a thousand deaths and refuses to die (e.g. pews).   Shocked  Grin
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2009, 01:43:34 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?   Cheesy  Roll Eyes  angel
Why?  Because you don't like it?

You can telepathically read my mind?   Roll Eyes
No, you're just bad at not telegraphing your mind. Wink

Let me go brush my teeth ... (after a 2 minutes have elapsed)

Not telegraphing my mind?   Huh  Someone must have done better in Context Clues than I did.
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2009, 01:53:44 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?

Thank you so much for bringing this up.  I cannot stand pews and think that they should be removed from all Orthodox churches immediately; no exceptions.  I think we should start a separate thread on this issue.  Can I get an amen?

Alveus, I'm wishing for the death of the current thread (e.g. brushing teeth) and not a thread which has died a thousand deaths and refuses to die (e.g. pews).   Shocked  Grin

When this thread reaches 247 post and becomes 6 pages long then I might consider closing it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2009, 02:08:54 AM »

Just as with pews, can this be declared a dead topic?

Thank you so much for bringing this up.  I cannot stand pews and think that they should be removed from all Orthodox churches immediately; no exceptions.  I think we should start a separate thread on this issue.  Can I get an amen?

Alveus, I'm wishing for the death of the current thread (e.g. brushing teeth) and not a thread which has died a thousand deaths and refuses to die (e.g. pews).   Shocked  Grin

When this thread reaches 247 post and becomes 6 pages long then I might consider closing it.
IOW, we're not going to close a thread just because one of our posters thinks the discussion lame or is tired of seeing it.  It's actually quite simple.  If you don't like a thread, just don't read it.  If you think a discussion lame, just don't join it.  Derailing it with useless spam and complaints does nothing but make you most unwelcome.
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2009, 02:09:49 AM »

When this thread reaches 247 post and becomes 6 pages long then I might consider closing it.

What, pray tell, shall we discuss next? Whether God prefers wintermint to spearmint toothpaste?
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2009, 02:14:09 AM »

How about flossing or recommended tooth whitening products?  Grin

How about who does the best and low-cost cosmetic dentistry?   Grin
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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2009, 02:14:37 AM »

When this thread reaches 247 post and becomes 6 pages long then I might consider closing it.

What, pray tell, shall we discuss next? Whether God prefers wintermint to spearmint toothpaste?
Spearmint!  Definitely spearmint! Grin
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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2009, 02:16:12 AM »

Okay, enough levity around here.  Let's get this thread back on topic, regardless of how stupid you may think it.
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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2009, 02:13:08 PM »

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The Holy Water I understand but to fast for antidoron is just plain stupid.

Why?I think it's a commom practice at least in my jurisdiction and area. The only difference is: in "parish practice" priest maybe not "emphasize"this ,and sometimes maybe "acquiesce" the non-fasting-keeper guys to take them as a kind of oikonomia.
but in "monastery practise" monks warn you clearly do not take antidoron if you drank wather after midnight....

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The antidoron is the instead of the gifts and if you didn't take communion because of a lack of fast you should therefore partake of the antidoron.
keep fasting from midnight is not the only request for Holy Communion. There could be many reasons make people not going to receive.(for example: hasn't read the ;did not make confession or did not fulfill the penance from his spiritual father;eat egg or drank milk Sat.evning and so on and so on....)

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It is just bread after all.
Yes,but not same from the bread on your meal table.
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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2009, 11:48:27 PM »

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The antidoron is the instead of the gifts and if you didn't take communion because of a lack of fast you should therefore partake of the antidoron.
keep fasting from midnight is not the only request for Holy Communion. There could be many reasons make people not going to receive.(for example: hasn't read the ;
Hasn't read the...  Canon of Preparation for Communion?

did not make confession or did not fulfill the penance from his spiritual father;eat egg or drank milk Sat.evning and so on and so on....)
Ahh, the rituals we put up to keep people FROM receiving the Life of the Holy Eucharist. Roll Eyes
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