The following thread split off from here: Orthodoxy of the Church Fathers
No. That's an Orthodox tendency the Protestants kept. (with the Vatican getting the Theotokos in "apparitions" involved in issuing dogmatic statements, I have my doubts there).
Why? Can't we have at least one thread where you don't post some anti-Catholic vitriolic non-sense. This thread had nothing to do with Orthodox/Catholic relations, and yet you seem to not be able to resist to slide in some insult against Catholicism and the Catholic Church -- and a wholly inaccurate insult at that.
Inaccurate?Many believe this Marian dogma
[of Coredemptrix] will initiate the Triumph of our Blessed Mother over Satan, as foretold
in Genesis and at Fatima
. It is the key that unlocks the graces of the triumph. Her titles are her works, her titles are her functions, and the solemn proclamation of our Mother’s titles will lead to the full release of her most powerful sanctifying functions of grace
and peace for the many crises experienced in the contemporary Church and world. It will allow her to intercede with the fullest possible mediation given to her by God for this triumph, for the Church and for humanity.The consecration of the world, inclusive of Russia, to the Immaculate Heart was completed, fulfilling the request of Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima. Why was it so important?
Because it allowed our Blessed Mother to intercede in a powerful way. She respects our freedom just as God the Father respects our freedom. Our Heavenly Mother is limited by our freedom in exercising her full God-given power of mediation and intercession. We must freely acknowledge her as the Mother of all Peoples, Coredemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces, and Advocate so that she can fully exercise these roles
for us at this watershed of human history, for the many crises experienced in the contemporary Church and world. Among these graces will be the grace necessary for an authentic Christian unity and reaffirmation of the authority of the papal Magisterium for the fruit of greater ecclesial unity
After the inspired Word of Sacred Scripture and the doctrinal grace of the Catholic Catechism, I believe the third book that every Fatima devotee
should have close at hand is the book of Sister Lucia, "Calls" From the Message of Fatima, which was released in English in 2002. A work truly directed by the Holy Spirit through the Immaculate Heart of Mary, "Calls" From the Message of Fatima constitutes a veritable Marian catechism of faith and life, written in a down to earth mode, which can be grasped by all members of the Faith and all people of good will. I have no personal doubt that Sister Lucia's recent masterpiece will eventually become a spiritual classic, rightfully identified as the fruits of a mystic and of a saint.
It is for this reason that I would like to isolate one of the foundational pearls of Sister Lucia's great work for its deserved appreciation, namely her predominant mariological theme of Our Lady as the "Co-redemptrix of the human race." Second only to the Marian title of "The Immaculate Heart of Mary," Mary Co-redemptrix is the most often cited and principal Marian theme presented by Sister Lucia throughout the book. Our Lady's coredemptive role with and under Jesus Christ in the accomplishment of Redemption is explained and expounded upon throughout the text, and always in ways which bring new appreciation to the unique role of the Mother of Jesus, as the New Eve with and under the New Adam, in the accomplishment of our Redemption.
Pope John Paul II has also, on three occasions, called all Christians to be "co-redeemers" (2) with Jesus Christ in distributing the graces of Redemption to today's world, and Sister Lucia likewise accentuates Our Mother's Fatima call for redemptive sacrifice as a foundational principal for living the message of Fatima.
Part of the genius of Sister Lucia's treatment of Our Lady's role as Co-redemptrix is its concrete application to the Christian call to holiness which should convict the heart of every Christian and, especially, every son and daughter of the Fatima message
. In her section on "The Call to Holiness" (Chapter 21), the author offers the example of Our Lady in her model of holiness as a devoted wife in the fulfillment of all the duties of her state in life:
In seeking to assist us in a deeper penetration into the bottomless mysteries of the Rosary, our Fatima visionary
guides the soul through a meditation on the Fourth Joyful Mystery, The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple, in Chapter 35, "Contemplation of the Joyful Mysteries." Here she explains that the Mother of Jesus does not simply offer her Son to the perfect will of the Father, but she offers herself with Christ to God, and specifically as the Co-redemptrix with Christ for the salvation of all humanity:
It is no accident that Sister Lucia repeatedly calls the reader to understand in mind and heart Our Lady's role as Co-redemptrix of the human race. Every child of Fatima
is called to recognize the glorious role of the Mother of All Peoples in the work of Redemption, as well as to imitate our coredemptive Mother by offering our daily sacrifices, and by understanding that every daily cross, great or small, is one designated by God for the redemption of souls and our own sanctification. Indeed we are all called to "make up what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ for the sake of his body, which is the Church" (Col. 1:24).The recognition and acknowledgment of Mary Co-redemptrix is indeed a central part of the Fatima message, as testified by Sister Lucia in "Calls" From the Message of Fatima and constitutes in itself an essential component of the fulfillment of the Fatima messages in our own time
Our beloved Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, is presently discerning the worldwide petition for the solemn definition of Our Lady as Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces and Advocate, as submitted by over 500 cardinals and bishops, nearly 7 million Catholic faithful spanning 145 countries, and including such contemporary lights as the late Mother Teresa of Calcutta, Mother Angelica, the late John Cardinal O'Connor, and the late John Haffert, co-founder of the Blue Army. Let us join our prayers and sacrifices to this petition, that the entire Church and world will soon officially acknowledge that which Sister Lucia conveys to us in "Calls" From the Message of Fatima: that Mary is, with and under Jesus our Divine Redeemer, the Co-redemptrix of the human race. Let us daily pray that Our Lady can be "released" by the solemn proclamation so that she may be able to fully intercede for all the graces necessary for the Triumph of her Most Immaculate Heart, and hence to bring ultimate fulfillment to her quintessential Fatima promise, that "in the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph…and a period of peace will be granted to the world" (July 13th, 1917). http://www.fifthmariandogma.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=266:sister-lucia-and-mary-co-redemptrix&catid=110:saints-and-sensus-fidelium&Itemid=580
July 13th, 1917? Odd citation of scripture.
And of course the role of the vision of the "miraculous medal" before and Lourdes after in the promulgation of the IC.
The Orthdox Christian Information Center has an aritcle, good on many points, of the role "Marian Apparitions" have assumed in dogma, and other points.http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx
The fact is, via "apparitions," a lot of dogma is being put forth. This is in contrast to the Fathers, who depended on the deposit of Faith, not adding to it.