Slava Isusu Christu!
Yes, please try to dig that documentation up for me
It is wise to provide documentation on such a matter since he is the leader of my Church, the OCA. Again I would bet you a million dollars His Beatittude would NEVER say that, now he could believe that in his own mind, but it is not politically intellegent to say such things or good for relations with other Orthodox Jurisdictions. It seems to me that it is a another Greek Catholic fantasy
which is ok
you guys have always desired validation from us Orthodox for uniting with Rome; that we will grant you your Orthodoxy and concelebrate with you, but it will never happen in the way you want it. When you come home to Orthodoxy, then we will be happy; but when your leaders insist that we are not the fulness of the Catholic Church because we are not in Communion with Rome, as per the letter from Rome "The Lord Jesus", and other Vatican statements; which according to your Law you must accept, under penalties up to an including excommunication. To deny even a tenant of the Catholic Faith, that you are bound to subscribe to, makes you a heretic and outside the their Church informally. Sophistry aside you Eastern Catholics are bound to accept the Faith of Rome - even interpreted through Eastern lenses - you must accept the doctrinal development of Rome for you are the same Church, but placed as seperate legal entities, but yet under the full immmediate Jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff. You high minded Byzantines critize the Latins for being cafeteria Catholics, but show me an Eastern Catholic who isn't one; you have to do a selective reading or you will find out your union with Rome has no doctrinal soundness or even practical soundness except maybe you get money from the Latins to build Churches and seminaries or have an influx of Latins, who are dissatisfied with their Church sui juris, to keep your Churches from dying out i.e. the Russian Catholics et al. Born Uniates are not at fault for their condition, but those who discover Orthodoxy and choose the Byzantine Catholic Church are in deep you know what
To have the fullness of Orthodoxy, which your Church had when it was Orthodox in the Old Country, and become a member of a Church that had been anathematized by the Holy Orthodox Church for heresy, to choose to be in communion with formal heretics instead of having the pleroma of the Orthodox Catholic religion is beyond my understanding. You cannot tell me that those who united with Rome, who united during the Counter-Reformation or thereafter, did not have or desire to accept the Roman Catholic Faith over and against the Holy Orthodox Catholic Faith? Huh? When they were received by Profession of Faith...they were required to renounce their Orthodox Faith and accept the Faith of the Latins and since they had no Church created for them by the Pope which was seperate canonically, at the time of the unions, they upon their Profession of Faith became Latins who were allowed to keep their Rite, but mind you ALLOWED because the Pope was favorable to the Byzantine Rite. They renounced Orthodoxy and became Roman Catholics who later were made into canonically separate Churches who were called by their various Eastern Catholic ethnic titles..Ukrainian,Ruthenian, Melkite Catholic et al. I let you have it because when you come on here telling Orthodox people that Metropolitan Herman believes that Greek Catholics are Orthodox just under the Pope; then I have a problem with that because he would NEVER say that!
But, on a lighter note I am sure your intentions were not bad; I hope it was all in good humor
In order for you to be Orthodox you would have to come back home to your Mother the Orthodox Church. Rome has chucked the theological model of the middle ages as per Pope John Paul II of trying to convert the Orthodox; basically the whole reason your Church exists, i.e. to convert the Orthodox "dissidents", no longer exists. And in the ecumenical world you are an embarrasement; for the most part you are the red-headed step-children of the Catholic Church. A relic of an old model of proselytizism that does'n't fit into the "new evangelization" of your Pope. I mean the ramifications of communion are great. When the unias occured there had to be a theological foundation for them, right? And if that theological foundation was not the superiority of the Roman Church and her teachings over Orthodoxy and Her Faith then what was it? What it a mere practical one or a mere survival oriented one as some say and not necessarily doctrinal? Huh? For these Orthodox slavs to go into the Papal Church there must have been a knowledge of the Roman Faith and a clear acceptance of their whole Magisterium not just a selective one. The Papacy at that time was ultra-ultra Montane so there would be no comprimise with their Profession of Faith in the "Most Holy Roman Church." So under all the theological canonical jargon of "sui juris ritual Churches" et al...you are Roman Catholics. Do you honestly think the Orthodox do not view you as Roman Catholics? We have viewed you are such since the Unias and that is how we will receive you back and discourse with you as Roman Catholics who have stolen our rites and spirituality to create a counter-Church - one that can easily deceive the Orthodox, but yet have them break communion with their bretheren in Orthodoxy, while thinking they are still Orthodox.
We cannot justify hate and war based on religion, but we still must address the issue that the Unia was a crime against the Orthodox Church and was based upon DECEPTION, "Orthodox in Communion with Rome" rhetoric notwithstanding. These Orthodox would of not been able to keep their Rite unless Rome saw it was advantageous to bring in the "eastern dissidents" as we were called, under subjection to the Roman Pontiff. The creation of the Greek Catholic Churches was essentially based upon politics and convienence and not on any solid Orthodox theological principles. What a shame that for hundreds of years the Holy Orthodox Faith was taken from the simple people. To get the picture of how we feel visit these sites to get an idea of what the Greek Catholic picture is all about. See the same tactics used by the Lutherans to win the Ukrainians over was used by the Catholic Church just a few hundred years earlier:
Saint Sophia Ukrainian Lutheran Seminaryhttp://www.angelfire.com/ca4/saintsophiaseminary/
Ukranian Lutheran Churchhttp://www.ukrlc.org/eng.htm
After you view all that then see what you think about Uniatism. I mean I could not help but get sick after I visited those sites, but it shows you that you can use the Byzantine Rite, but have a totally different Faith aka Uniatism.