OrthodoxChristianity.net
September 19, 2014, 02:05:21 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Reminder: No political discussions in the public fora.  If you do not have access to the private Politics Forum, please send a PM to Fr. George.
 
   Home   Help Calendar Contact Treasury Tags Login Register  
Pages: 1   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: How is Chrismation done if the participant is bald?  (Read 2913 times) Average Rating: 0
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
nicholas1870
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Catechumen
Jurisdiction: Thyateira and Great Britain
Posts: 37


« on: January 18, 2009, 05:10:39 PM »

I know this sounds like a silly question, but it came to me as I was reading up on Chrismation.

Apparently, the officiating priest carries out the Tonsure (the cutting of hair).

How would this be done for someone who was bald (or sported a buzz-cut?). Is it just symbolic?
Logged
wynd
High Elder
******
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: OCA
Posts: 501


Transfiguration


« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 05:13:58 PM »

I don't remember my hair being cut at chrismation.
Logged
Quinault
Protokentarchos
*********
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 4,517


What about frogs? I like frogs!


« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 05:15:12 PM »

they cut the hair of babies at my parish, but not adults.
Logged
nicholas1870
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Catechumen
Jurisdiction: Thyateira and Great Britain
Posts: 37


« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 05:22:37 PM »

wynd: Yeah, I was surprised because I hadn't heard of Tonsure as part of the chrismation.

It's mentioned on Father Alexander's website:
http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/baptism_e.htm

Quote from the Prayer of Tonsuring
Quote
Taking the scissors, the priest cuts the hair of the newly-baptized person in the form of a cross.
Logged
nicholas1870
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Catechumen
Jurisdiction: Thyateira and Great Britain
Posts: 37


« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 05:28:10 PM »

Quinault: Ah, so it might just be for infant chrismation then?

I tend to sport a grade 1 because my hair seems to grow very slowly.
Logged
Anastasios
Webdespota
Administrator
Merarches
*******
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Greek Old Calendarist
Posts: 10,444


Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Florina

anastasios0513
WWW
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 05:40:07 PM »

Oh that's a simple one, we just snip at your ear.

just kidding Wink
« Last Edit: January 18, 2009, 05:40:21 PM by Fr. Anastasios » Logged

Please Buy My Book!

Disclaimer: Past posts reflect stages of my life before my baptism may not be accurate expositions of Orthodo
nicholas1870
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Catechumen
Jurisdiction: Thyateira and Great Britain
Posts: 37


« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 05:45:53 PM »

lol! Cheesy

Alas, there isn't a "screaming in terror" smiley.   Grin
Logged
John of the North
Protokentarchos
*********
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christianity
Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Edmonton and the West
Posts: 3,533


Christ is Risen!

tgild
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 06:02:55 PM »

Oh that's a simple one, we just snip at your ear.

just kidding Wink

And thats if you survive the drowning, eh Father?
Logged

"Christianity is not a philosophy, not a doctrine, but life." - Elder Sophrony (Sakharov)
Orthodox11
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,999


« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 06:23:30 PM »

they cut the hair of babies at my parish, but not adults.

They cut mine. I was 17
Logged
Bridget
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 31


« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 06:24:37 PM »

My chrismation did not include the tonsure, I think it may be related to whether or not you are baptized.

Bridget
Logged
SakranMM
Elder
*****
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 327

Most Holy Theotokos, save us!


« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 06:32:45 PM »

Wear a toupee....j/k  Wink
Logged

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..."
Tallitot
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Faith: Jewish
Jurisdiction: United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Posts: 2,610



WWW
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2009, 06:50:32 PM »

Most bald men have at least a ring of hair, in which case a couple of strands are trimmed off.
Logged

Proverbs 22:7
Irish Hermit
Kibernetski Kaludjer
Warned
Merarches
***********
Offline Offline

Posts: 10,991


Holy Father Patrick, pray for us


« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 07:00:54 PM »

The symbolism of the tonsure at Baptism is that

..... the hair is the first thing which the baby has grown alone

..... so it is sacrificed to God as his or her first fruits

.... it is also a reminder that as life progressses God may ask other and more substantial sacrifices.

This is the symbolism that I know.  Is there more?  There could well be.
Logged
Justin Kissel
Formerly Asteriktos
Protospatharios
****************
Offline Offline

Posts: 29,824



« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2009, 08:24:27 PM »

I didn't have mine clipped either. *shrugs*  Smiley
Logged

Yes, yes, youth is wasted on the young. And so is accumulated experience wasted on the old, the positives of modernism wasted on moderns, the beauty of Christianity wasted on Christians, the utility of scholarship wasted on scholars, and on and on.
Anastasios
Webdespota
Administrator
Merarches
*******
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Greek Old Calendarist
Posts: 10,444


Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Florina

anastasios0513
WWW
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2009, 08:35:31 PM »

after my wife and I were baptized and chrismated, when they tonsured her the bishop cut a rather large chunk out of the front of her head. She was not too happy Wink
Logged

Please Buy My Book!

Disclaimer: Past posts reflect stages of my life before my baptism may not be accurate expositions of Orthodo
JAWS_Thomas
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: OCA-DOW
Posts: 37


« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 02:21:05 AM »

When my godson was received into the church he was active duty navy and had a completely shaved head and short goatee. He left that day with both his eyebrows and goatee a little shorter.
Logged

"If you're an alien why do you sound like you're from the North?"
"Lots of planets have a north."
               
                           -Rose Tyler asking Doctor Who about his accent
Quinault
Protokentarchos
*********
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 4,517


What about frogs? I like frogs!


« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2009, 03:52:31 AM »

Our priest only ended up being able to cut about 2-3 hairs since my son is so bald.
Logged
Quinault
Protokentarchos
*********
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 4,517


What about frogs? I like frogs!


« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2009, 03:53:22 AM »

after my wife and I were baptized and chrismated, when they tonsured her the bishop cut a rather large chunk out of the front of her head. She was not too happy Wink

I don't blame her! I would have asked to have it cut from the nape of my neck so it wouldn't be so noticeable.
Logged
ialmisry
There's nothing John of Damascus can't answer
Warned
Hypatos
*****************
Offline Offline

Faith: جامعي Arab confesssing the Orthodox Faith of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
Jurisdiction: Antioch (for now), but my heart belongs to Alexandria
Posts: 37,621



« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2009, 07:43:39 AM »

The symbolism of the tonsure at Baptism is that

..... the hair is the first thing which the baby has grown alone

..... so it is sacrificed to God as his or her first fruits

.... it is also a reminder that as life progressses God may ask other and more substantial sacrifices.

This is the symbolism that I know.  Is there more?  There could well be.

It is the only thing that can be sacrificed from the body without actually draining blood, etc.  This symbolism has Samson in mind.

They didn't cut mine, though I have plenty.  My son, the same: the cross of his tonsure was quite visible for a while.


Btw, they are supposed to put the cut locks in the baptismal water.  Some just give them to the parents which somewhat nullifies the symbolism (unless a reference to the Fifth Commandment).
« Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 07:48:20 AM by ialmisry » Logged

Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth
Thomas
Moderator
Archon
*****
Offline Offline

Faith: Eastern Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 2,793



« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2009, 09:49:35 AM »

I was tonsured when I became Orthodox and have never been to an Orthodox Church where it is not done. Father usually asks men that shave their heads not to shave it for two weeks prior to  Baptism/Chrismation and usually they have some hair to cut. I have also seen eyebrows and beards cut before as well.

Thomas
« Last Edit: January 19, 2009, 09:50:16 AM by Thomas » Logged

Your brother in Christ ,
Thomas
Lily
Member
***
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox
Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Posts: 75


« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2009, 12:44:35 PM »

None of my hair was cut either.  Nor any chrismation I have seen since.
Logged
Tags: Chrismation chrism tonsure 
Pages: 1   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.076 seconds with 48 queries.