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Altar Calls for Atheism
« on: January 07, 2009, 01:04:47 AM »
So, when is GiC doing his altar call? 

The link describes Dawkins' latest publicity stunt

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/religion-atheist-bus-campaign-national

A £140,000 advertising campaign aimed at persuading more people to "come out" as atheists was launched today with a plan to broadcast a message doubting God's existence on the sides of buses, the tube and on screens in central London.

Its slogan – "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" – can already be seen on buses in central London. A total of 200 bendy buses in London and 600 buses across England, Scotland and Wales will carry the slogan from today and tomorrow following a fundraising drive which raised more than £140,000.

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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2009, 01:13:26 AM »
Its slogan – "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life– can already be seen on buses in central London. "

"Probably"? That's a bit of shifting ground to build on isn't it? But at any rate the slogan "There is a God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." would be a good one for Orthodox Christianity.
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2009, 02:22:19 AM »
Fwiw, Dawkins provided a continuum for atheism in his book The God Delusion, going from absolute belief to absolute disbelief (my terminology--I forget what terms he used). Dawkins admitted (and I've heard him admit in interviews) that he's not an absolute disbeliever, but philosophically must remain agnostic about the existence of God. But he calls himself an atheist because he doesn't believe in any particular God or gods. That, to him, is his definition of atheism: lacking a belief in a god/gods. And I believe it was Bertrand Russell who pointed out that you can be philosophically an agnostic and yet live your life (practically speaking) as an atheist.
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2009, 04:46:32 AM »
This is actually kinda old news over here, I seem to recall it was put on the buses some time last year.

It was also funded by Christian groups as well, not just the New (read: Old) Atheists.  ;D (A lot of people have been shocked out of their comfort zone by the ads, as it takes away from their London day-to-day trip to work and back with their blinkers on)

The American one "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake" leaves open a massive debate about the definition of goodness within the Humanist context. (i.e., is it 'good' to abort a pregnancy that might otherwise be an 'inconvenience'?) I used to be a Humanist for a few years (even saw Dawkins/Hitchens etc. debating publically a few times against various theists, often with a feeling that something wasn't quite right), it was this whole area that made me re-think everything. I think these ads actually help people into actually thinking about these issues for the first time in a long while.
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 04:43:15 AM »
So, when is GiC doing his altar call?

The link describes Dawkins' latest publicity stunt

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/religion-atheist-bus-campaign-national

A £140,000 advertising campaign aimed at persuading more people to "come out" as atheists was launched today with a plan to broadcast a message doubting God's existence on the sides of buses, the tube and on screens in central London.

Its slogan – "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" – can already be seen on buses in central London. A total of 200 bendy buses in London and 600 buses across England, Scotland and Wales will carry the slogan from today and tomorrow following a fundraising drive which raised more than £140,000.

Eh, I tend to be of the persuasion that ignoring the entire religion question and giving people better things to think about (e.g. sex, drugs, and rock and roll ;D) is a better approach. It's not necessary to change people's minds about religion...you can hardly use reason to argue firmly held irrational beliefs out of people...it's better to just distract them and make them forget about the whole issue. After all, who wants to be in Church when it means missing Sunday morning football? Especially if you have a few bucks on the game. ;)

HOWEVER, looking at that hot little thing hanging all over Dawkins, and about a third his age, I may reconsider my position and write one of those shock-value anti-theist books. If I write a few of them it may do me good in 30 to 40 years when not much else is going to do the trick with those 20 something girls. ;D

Either that or I could go into the porn business a la Hugh Hefner. :D ;D
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2009, 07:37:38 AM »

HOWEVER, looking at that hot little thing hanging all over Dawkins, and about a third his age, I may reconsider my position and write one of those shock-value anti-theist books. If I write a few of them it may do me good in 30 to 40 years when not much else is going to do the trick with those 20 something girls. ;D


Actually, I was sitting behind Dawkins and his lady friend at the Hitchens/Lennox debate and I have to say she's... well... not my cup of tea, old chap! Still, he's got no excuse to look so grumpy all the time! ;D


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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 01:45:09 PM »

HOWEVER, looking at that hot little thing hanging all over Dawkins, and about a third his age, I may reconsider my position and write one of those shock-value anti-theist books. If I write a few of them it may do me good in 30 to 40 years when not much else is going to do the trick with those 20 something girls. ;D


Actually, I was sitting behind Dawkins and his lady friend at the Hitchens/Lennox debate and I have to say she's... well... not my cup of tea, old chap!

Well, she could do something different with her hair...maybe a bit shorter? And she really shouldn't let her philosophical views get in the way of her fashion sense...loose the billboard t-shirt, though I doubt she wears it all the time...the coat she was wearing was in good taste. But now we're just splitting hairs, excuse the pun. ;)

Oh, and she may be a bit obsessed with this whole religion debate thing which could get annoying. But just so long as she knows how to drop it and talk about more interesting (read: shallow) things everything's good.

But interesting...he took her to the debate instead of his wife? Not that she isn't attractive, especially in her younger days, but still...

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Still, he's got no excuse to look so grumpy all the time! ;D

He didn't look so grumpy when she was hanging all over him...maybe there's just problems at home and he isn't getting any; that's more than enough to make anyone grumpy. ;)
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 02:09:17 PM »
Oh! Are we thinking of the same person?? Perhaps it was his wife. I'll have to do a Google image hunt now...

Anyway, she went up to ask a question at the Q&A but I don't remember if there was time for her question. Quite tall, slim? (which doesn't really narrow down a massive section of the population I fear.)
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2009, 02:40:23 PM »
Oh! Are we thinking of the same person?? Perhaps it was his wife. I'll have to do a Google image hunt now...

Anyway, she went up to ask a question at the Q&A but I don't remember if there was time for her question. Quite tall, slim? (which doesn't really narrow down a massive section of the population I fear.)

The person I was talking about was the (first) dark haired girl in the video Ariane Sherine, first thing that comes up searching for her name on Google is her personal website with the Google description of '28-year-old comedy writer and journalist based in London'. He's married to Lalla Ward of Doctor Who fame, she's approaching 60 and blonde, if I recall properly.
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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2009, 04:03:04 PM »
Ah, definately Lalla Ward! Recognised her immediately from the images in the search.

Had it been Ariane, I'd probably have been sitting next to her as apposed to behind them... :D

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Re: Altar Calls for Atheism
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2009, 04:10:44 PM »
Ah, definately Lalla Ward! Recognised her immediately from the images in the search.

Had it been Ariane, I'd probably have been sitting next to her as apposed to behind them... :D

"Hello my dear, do you debate the meaning of life here often?"

There you go...now we're on the same page. I was starting to worry about you. ;)
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