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« on: January 02, 2009, 02:53:43 PM »

I am sure Mikhail Smirnov knows him - others -?

Here are three YouTube clips:

 http://www2.maidan.org.ua/n/culture/1230893059

The words of the first song (Ballad About Love):


Баллада о Любви


 Когда вода Всемирного потопа
 Вернулась вновь в границы берегов,
 Из пены уходящего потока
 На берег тихо выбралась Любовь -
 И растворилась в воздухе до срока,
 А срока было - сорок сороков...

 И чудаки - еще такие есть -
 Вдыхают полной грудью эту смесь,
 И ни наград не ждут, ни наказанья, -
 И, думая, что дышат просто так,
 Они внезапно попадают в такт
 Такого же - неровного - дыханья.

        Я поля влюбленным постелю -
        Пусть поют во сне и наяву!..
        Я дышу, и значит - я люблю!
        Я люблю, и значит - я живу!

 И много будет странствий и скитаний:
 Страна Любви - великая страна!
 И с рыцарей своих - для испытаний -
 Все строже станет спрашивать она:
 Потребует разлук и расстояний,
 Лишит покоя, отдыха и сна...

 Но вспять безумцев не поворотить -
 Они уже согласны заплатить:
 Любой ценой - и жизнью бы рискнули, -
 Чтобы не дать порвать, чтоб сохранить
 Волшебную невидимую нить,
 Которую меж ними протянули.

        Я поля влюбленным постелю -
        Пусть поют во сне и наяву!..
        Я дышу, и значит - я люблю!
        Я люблю, и значит - я живу!

 Но многих захлебнувшихся любовью
 Не докричишься - сколько не зови, -
 Им счет ведут молва и пустословье,
 Но этот счет замешан на крови.
 А мы поставим свечи в изголовье
 Погибших от невиданной любви...

 И душам их дано бродить в цветах,
 Их голосам дано сливаться в такт,
 И вечностью дышать в одно дыханье,
 И встретиться - со вздохом на устах -
 На хрупких переправах и мостах,
 На узких перекрестках мирозданья.

        Свежий ветер избранных пьянил,
        С ног сбивал, из мертвых воскрешал, -
        Потому что если не любил -
        Значит, и не жил, и не дышал!

 1975

http://www.lib.ru/WYSOCKIJ/v75.txt
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2009, 12:12:00 PM »

Some more

(the first song, "Dear radio program," is, I believe, about the latest 8 years of the US politics abroad... Smiley and the second song is about love Smiley).

http://www2.maidanua.org/news/view.php3?bn=maidan_culture&trs=-1&key=1230971076&first=1230998218&last=1227759067
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2009, 02:14:21 PM »

And his classics, epitome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWEOaosGDi0
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 07:43:13 PM »

Высоцкий - это прошлое. Он - певец эпохи застоя. А сегодня у России есть поэт Емелин

http://emelind.livejournal.com/
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 07:50:22 PM »

Высоцкий - это прошлое. Он - певец эпохи застоя. А сегодня у России есть поэт Емелин

http://emelind.livejournal.com/

Да поэтов-то много, а вот так спеть, как Высоцкий?

А вообще-то спасибо, почитаю Вашего Емелина.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2009, 07:54:23 PM »

Почитал. Чушь, бред. Простите. Еще раз, Вам (и вам - во множ. числе) - сюда:

http://www.lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/charmes.txt

Или мы с вами на разных планетах, или Хармсово (или "псевдо-Хармсово") "вот тогда и кончилось" - верно...

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2009, 09:07:31 PM »

I'm listening to them! I like "На братских могилах не ставят крестов". His voice seems a bit harsh-and he can sure roll his "r"s! -but I guess the edge must be from years of drinking/smoking. I noticed that Leonard Cohen's voice also gets deeper and rougher the older he gets-no doubt from the same cause. Anyhow, I was myself listening to Vysotsky and Cohen these past few days! And I was listening to some of Cohen's latest work-it made me cry to hear his wistful, aging sentiments...but that's part of life too. He lives vibrantly and experienced much...Thanks for sharing Vysotsky with us, Heorhij!
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2009, 09:30:26 PM »

I loved "Я однажды гулял по столице"!  So romantic, and with beautiful accompanying paintings of the city...
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2009, 09:36:34 PM »

I'm listening to them! I like "На братских могилах не ставят крестов". His voice seems a bit harsh-and he can sure roll his "r"s! -but I guess the edge must be from years of drinking/smoking. I noticed that Leonard Cohen's voice also gets deeper and rougher the older he gets-no doubt from the same cause. Anyhow, I was myself listening to Vysotsky and Cohen these past few days! And I was listening to some of Cohen's latest work-it made me cry to hear his wistful, aging sentiments...but that's part of life too. He lives vibrantly and experienced much...Thanks for sharing Vysotsky with us, Heorhij!

You are most welcome, dear sister. Yes, Vysotsky used to smoke something like two packs of "Winston" a day, and he could drink quite a lot. It is sad, on the one hand - but on the other, who can blame him? There certainly were, and are, and perhaps will be great artists, geniuses who used nicotine and alcohol and maybe even illicit drugs... The great Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko used to drink a lot  (especially over the last years of his sad, lonely life) - and who can really say that if he did not drink or drank less, he would write his masterpieces? And how about the great Russian poet Aleksandr Polezhayev, or the great French poet Arthur Rimbaud, or the great Welsh poet Dylan Thomas?
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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2009, 09:48:47 PM »

It is very true! Such a life tends to lend itself to greater creativity somehow, it seems...
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2009, 09:53:46 PM »

I loved "Я однажды гулял по столице"!  So romantic, and with beautiful accompanying paintings of the city...


Yes, that's a typical "song of a hooligan," - if you ever saw Shukshin's movie "Kalina Krasnaya", that's it, the romantics of the underworld, the "vory," the criminal microcosm...

Another stream in Vysotsky's heritage is something not quite related to the criminal world, but, rather, more esoteric, extremely tense, "existentially" tense, like this song, "The Sail" (sorry, in the video he makes a rather long introduction):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhJMlpiLR4&feature=related

And also this song, dedicated to his wife (she was not yet his wife when this song was composed - back then, he depserately tried to win her), the French actress called Marina Vladi (of a Russian descent - real name Marina Vladimirovna Polyakova):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhFapL-ytiI&NR=1
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2009, 03:02:21 AM »

Да поэтов-то много, а вот так спеть, как Высоцкий?
Да Емелин не то, что Высоцкому, он Шекспиру фору даст. Почитайте его

   БАЛЛАДУ О БЕЛОКУРОЙ
   ПРЯДИ И АВТОБУСНОМ КРУГЕ
   (из цикла "Смерти героев")

http://nbp-info.com/nbart/emelin/57.html
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2009, 08:28:54 AM »

Да поэтов-то много, а вот так спеть, как Высоцкий?
Да Емелин не то, что Высоцкому, он Шекспиру фору даст. Почитайте его

   БАЛЛАДУ О БЕЛОКУРОЙ
   ПРЯДИ И АВТОБУСНОМ КРУГЕ
   (из цикла "Смерти героев")

http://nbp-info.com/nbart/emelin/57.html

Да Вы все шутить изволите, дражайший. Ан не смешно. Как я уже сказал, я уже старенький понимать "юмор" частушек на милые советские темы ("За фабричной заставой, где закаты в дыму...") - знаете, мне как-то все при таком вот услышанном сразу видятся могилы, могилы, могилы... Точно в то время, когда на экраны выходила вся эта милая Вашему сердцу "классика," украинское село моего деда умирало страшной голодной смертью, и умерло ВСЕ (он выжил только потому, что его за пару лет до Голодомора угораздило жениться на девушке из города и прописаться в квартире ее отца, бывшего учителя гимназии).

Но оно конечно, если Вам судьба детей, обиженных Ельцыным, кажется страшнее судьбы детей и взрослых, замученных Голодомором 1932-33 гг. - тогда что уж... "Кому и кобыла невеста."

P.S. А за героев "арийской расы" статья не положена у Вас там? И в рыло, извините, еще не дают?
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 05:11:53 PM »

Thanks for the links! I've wanted to hear this artist since Joose Keskitalo i.e. one Finnish artist listed Vysotsky's music as one his inspirators. Now I can see why and they sound like in a way quite similar.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2009, 06:16:16 PM »

Thanks for the links! I've wanted to hear this artist since Joose Keskitalo i.e. one Finnish artist listed Vysotsky's music as one his inspirators. Now I can see why and they sound like in a way quite similar.

And thank you so much for posting this. I had no idea Vysotsky had followers in other countries. Plus, you know, my kind of stereotypic idea about the Finns is that they are very self-restrained, always calm, etc. Interesting that a Finnish artist would find in Vysotsky his role model because Vysotsky was the total opposite of calm and self-restrained - wild, passionate to the extreme of the extremes, "ripping his heart out" in front of his audience...
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 09:47:05 AM »

I thought this could interest those who love Vysotsky. I learned recently (read in one of the websites) that he was baptized in the Armenian Church, in Armenia. So he was a miaphysite LOL (though I'm sure he didn't understand anything in Christology).
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2009, 11:13:47 AM »

I thought this could interest those who love Vysotsky. I learned recently (read in one of the websites) that he was baptized in the Armenian Church, in Armenia. So he was a miaphysite LOL (though I'm sure he didn't understand anything in Christology).

Thank you! How interesting. I never knew that. Why Armenian?

As for his understanding of Christology, oh well... of course he did not know a thing in this area. Vysotsy was not a believer by any stretch. Actually, there are some "Theomachian" lines in his poetry, as I recall:

"В церкви смрад и полумрак,
Дьяки курят ладан.
Нет, и в церкви все не так,
Все не так, как надо!

(...) И ни церковь, ни кабак,
Ничего не свято!
Нет, ребята, все не так,
Все не так, ребята."

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Но гвозди Ему в руки, чтоб чего не сотворил,
И гвозди в лоб, чтоб ни о чем не думал..."

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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2009, 11:31:58 AM »

Yes, LOL, you are true concerning his faith Smiley.

Here is an excerpt from the long message from another forum where I read about his baptism:

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И ездил креститься Высоцкий в компании с Давидом Карапетяном, а последний вряд ли повел его не в свою церковь.
Также у Высоцкого было явно критическое отношение к РПЦ:
"В церкви смрад и полумрак,
Дьяки курят ладан.
Нет! И в церкви все не так,
Все не так, как надо".
("Моя цыганская" http://www.kulichki.com/vv/pesni/v-son-mne-zheltye.html ). А к армянскому христианству у него была тяга. Марина Влади вспоминает ("Владимир или прерванный полет") http://lib.ru/WYSOCKIJ/wladi.txt :
"Ты едешь на машине в Армению с Давидом - приятелем, который там родился. Ни у одного из вас нет водительских прав, и едете вы, естественно, с запасом коньяка в багажнике. Армения - это суровая красота горных пейзажей и чистота фресок, украшающих древние монастыри... (...)
Как только попадается первый монастырь, ты неловко пытаешься перекреститься. В третьем монастыре, уже после четвертой бутылки коньяка, Давид с трудом удерживается от хохота: ты стоишь на коленях, в глазах - слезы, ты громко объясняешься с высокими ликами святых, изображенных на стенах. Накаленный до предела величественными пейзажами, красотой архитектуры и огромным количеством выпитого вина, ты на четвереньках вползаешь в церковь. Ты издаешь непонятные звуки, бьешься головой о каменные плиты пола. Спьяну ты ударился в религию. Потом вдруг, устав от такого количества разных переживаний, ты засыпаешь как убитый, распластавшись на полу.
Это единственный раз на моей памяти, когда твое критическое отношение к театральности православной церкви тебе изменяет".

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Вот еще свидетельство http://www.yerevan.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=29126 :
"Любопытен отрывок из первой части сборника «Семь путешествий с Владимиром Высоцким», посвященный пребыванию поэта в Армении в апреле 1970 года: «Поездку на Севан организовал Ревик; с нами были два-три его приятеля и Баграт Оганесян, - пишет Карапетян. - Приехали, походили по берегу клином врезавшегося в Севан полуострова… Синяя чаша озера в оправе дымно-фиолетовых скал Володю заворожила. Он жадно вбирал ноздрями его тревожный воздух. Заметив на вершине холма две небольшие старинные церкви, ему захотелось их увидеть вблизи. К храмам вели выбитые в скальной породе крутые ступени. Чтобы помочь гостю, Ревик взял его под локоть, но тот, вежливо отстранившись, пробурчал: «Я сам». Добравшись до первой церковки, запыхавшийся Володя начал гладить ее сырые замшелые камни. До сих пор жалею, что никто не захватил с собой фотоаппарата...»".
А вот прямое утверждение из интервью сына Владимира Высоцкого, Аркадия http://www.vsvysotsky.ru/post73138750/ :
"- А ваш отец Владимир Высоцкий как относился к религии?
- В разные годы жизни по-разному. Он был крещен в армянской церкви".

http://evangelie.cn/index.php?showtopic=726
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2009, 11:45:38 AM »

^^Thank you, most interesting! So it was, essentially, friends and also the breath-taking natural beauty of Armenian mountains...

Bulat Okudzhava might have been an Armenian (Miaphysite) Christian, too. His father was Georgian (hence the name), but he never knew his father because Shalva Okudzhava was arrested and shot when Bulat was a very young child (or even an infant). Bulat's mother was Armenian though. (He wrote a very beautiful song about his mom, ""Не клонись-ка ты, головушка, от невзгод и от обид...")

And Aleksandr Galich, of course, became a faithful Russian Orthodox in the late 1960-s.
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2009, 11:55:01 AM »

Here's a good Youtube video where Okudzhava sings his song, composed immediately after Vysotsky's death:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsOwT8PQgaw&feature=related

О Володе Высотском я песню придумать решил.
Вот еще одному не вернуться домой из похода!
Говорят, что грешил, что не к сроку свечу затушил -
Как умел, так и жил! А безгрешных не знает природа.

Ненадолго разлука! Bсего лишь на миг, а потом
Отправляться и нам по следам по его по горячим.
Пусть кружит над Москвою охрипший его баритон,
Ну, а мы вместе с ним посмеемся и вместе поплачем.

О Володе Высотском я песню придумать хотел,
Но дрожала рука, и мотив со стихом не сходился.
Белый аист московский на белое небо взлетел,
Черный аист московский на черную землю спустился.

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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2009, 12:17:21 PM »

^^Thank you, most interesting! So it was, essentially, friends and also the breath-taking natural beauty of Armenian mountains...

Bulat Okudzhava might have been an Armenian (Miaphysite) Christian, too. His father was Georgian (hence the name), but he never knew his father because Shalva Okudzhava was arrested and shot when Bulat was a very young child (or even an infant). Bulat's mother was Armenian though. (He wrote a very beautiful song about his mom, ""Не клонись-ка ты, головушка, от невзгод и от обид...")

And Aleksandr Galich, of course, became a faithful Russian Orthodox in the late 1960-s.

Thank you for the information. I didn't know Okudzhava's mother was Armenian. And, unfortunately, I don't know who Aleksandr Galich is Sad

But many Armenians in Russia become members of the Russian Church, not Armenian. It's because they feel in the Russian environment better than in Armenian, speak and understand Russian better than the Armenian language etc. So we can't know for sure about the mother of Okudzhava.
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2009, 01:10:47 PM »

Thank you for the information. I didn't know Okudzhava's mother was Armenian. And, unfortunately, I don't know who Aleksandr Galich is Sad

I started a thread about him on this forum. A very passionate and artistic singer of his own songs, emigrated from the USSR to Western Europe in the early 1970-s; died under mysterious circumstances (found electrocuted in a bathtub - possibly a KGB thing...)

But many Armenians in Russia become members of the Russian Church, not Armenian. It's because they feel in the Russian environment better than in Armenian, speak and understand Russian better than the Armenian language etc. So we can't know for sure about the mother of Okudzhava.

That's true. Especially in Moscow some Armenian families became very Russified. I recall at least two wonderful Russian theatrical and movie actors who were Armenian by their heritage - Efim Kopelyan and Armen Jigarhanyan. Both were almost perfect "models" as far as the Russian phonetics went.
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2009, 01:34:35 PM »


That's true. Especially in Moscow some Armenian families became very Russified. I recall at least two wonderful Russian theatrical and movie actors who were Armenian by their heritage - Efim Kopelyan and Armen Jigarhanyan. Both were almost perfect "models" as far as the Russian phonetics went.

Frankly speaking, even in Armenia many Armenians are Russified, and this is a sad thing for me. I just don't understand them- being 100% Armenians, living in Armenia and speaking... Russian. The Soviet influence perhaps... Also the Russian TV canals, Russian taught in all Armenian schools of Armenia (which is not bad, of course Smiley), almost all the important strategic objects of Armenia in the hands of Russians, the Russian troops in Armenia, the Russians deciding  whom we, the Armenians, must choose as our president... (well, unofficially but interfering as much as they can). So we are in reality still 'Russian Armenia' as in the times of Tsar.  Wink

As for the accent, the Armenians generally don't have much accent when speaking Russian. It's the Georgians that have it. Armen Jigarkhanyan went to Russia from Armenia, but as you say, his accent is quite OK.
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2009, 03:12:57 PM »


That's true. Especially in Moscow some Armenian families became very Russified. I recall at least two wonderful Russian theatrical and movie actors who were Armenian by their heritage - Efim Kopelyan and Armen Jigarhanyan. Both were almost perfect "models" as far as the Russian phonetics went.

Frankly speaking, even in Armenia many Armenians are Russified, and this is a sad thing for me. I just don't understand them- being 100% Armenians, living in Armenia and speaking... Russian. The Soviet influence perhaps... Also the Russian TV canals, Russian taught in all Armenian schools of Armenia (which is not bad, of course Smiley), almost all the important strategic objects of Armenia in the hands of Russians, the Russian troops in Armenia, the Russians deciding  whom we, the Armenians, must choose as our president... (well, unofficially but interfering as much as they can). So we are in reality still 'Russian Armenia' as in the times of Tsar.  Wink

Tell me about it, I am a Ukrainian...  Grin Grin Grin

As for the accent, the Armenians generally don't have much accent when speaking Russian. It's the Georgians that have it. Armen Jigarkhanyan went to Russia from Armenia, but as you say, his accent is quite OK.

That's true, although there is one exception - a Georgian actor called Oleg Basilashvili speaks Russian without any accent.
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 05:29:22 AM »

Tell me about it, I am a Ukrainian...  Grin Grin Grin

I know Smiley. It is clear from the letter 'h' in your username  Wink
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2009, 07:16:51 PM »

Но оно конечно, если Вам судьба детей, обиженных Ельцыным, кажется страшнее судьбы детей и взрослых, замученных Голодомором 1932-33 гг. - тогда что уж... "Кому и кобыла невеста."
Даже если то,что Вы говорите и правда, жертвы "голодомора" в 90-е годы не воскресли, а только всем живым стало хуже.

P.S. А за героев "арийской расы" статья не положена у Вас там? И в рыло, извините, еще не дают?
Нет. Цветы дают.



This thread became way more political than the OC.net rules allow threads of our public forums to be. I am therefore locking the thread. Simkins, please feel free to open new threads on this forum that are about Slavic languages rather than about the current politics in Slavic countries. -Heorhij, mod., S.L.

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