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« on: December 29, 2008, 06:38:48 PM »

It's common to hear in Evangelical circles phrases such as "Jesus lives in me" or "Jesus is in me," but these phrases are rare if ever used in Orthodox circles. I got to thinking about this, and realised that there is actually quite a bit of biblical support for this type of phrase. Any idea why the Orthodox don't use the terminology that much? Is it deemed too close to the "my buddy Jesus" mentality?

"At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you." - Jn. 14:20

"I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." - Jn. 17:23

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." - Gal. 2:20

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" - Col. 1:27

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God." - Eph. 3:17-19

"And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." - 1 Jn. 3:24
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 07:39:12 PM »

It's common to hear in Evangelical circles phrases such as "Jesus lives in me" or "Jesus is in me," but these phrases are rare if ever used in Orthodox circles. I got to thinking about this, and realised that there is actually quite a bit of biblical support for this type of phrase. Any idea why the Orthodox don't use the terminology that much? Is it deemed too close to the "my buddy Jesus" mentality?
The highlighted may be true IF the Orthodox consciously stopped using the terminology of "Christ in me".  But if we have never really spoken much in terms of "Christ in me", can we really attribute this to outside pressures?
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 07:43:14 PM »

That's a good point, and I admit that I haven't come across the language in either contemporary language, or in what little of the Fathers that I've read. I wonder why the terminology never really caught on, if that is the case? As has been pointed out by a number of people, Orthodoxy retained multiple ways of speaking about salvation, rather than just limiting ourselves to just one or two ways of viewing how we are saved; I wonder if we don't have quite as much diversity in our language about our life in Christ? Or perhaps this is just a unique case.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 07:51:41 PM »

That's a good point, and I admit that I haven't come across the language in either contemporary language, or in what little of the Fathers that I've read. I wonder why the terminology never really caught on, if that is the case? As has been pointed out by a number of people, Orthodoxy retained multiple ways of speaking about salvation, rather than just limiting ourselves to just one or two ways of viewing how we are saved; I wonder if we don't have quite as much diversity in our language about our life in Christ? Or perhaps this is just a unique case.

When did you want this terminology used? In the Liturgy? In conversation?
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 08:00:19 PM »

Well, for just a couple examples, I've never heard it used on a forum, or in everyday discussions among Orthodox when religion comes up, or in a sermon, etc. I've heard about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in those type of Orthodox contexts, but not (so far as I can remember) the indwelling of Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 08:03:29 PM »

Well, for just a couple examples, I've never heard it used on a forum, or in everyday discussions among Orthodox when religion comes up, or in a sermon, etc. I've heard about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in those type of Orthodox contexts, but not (so far as I can remember) the indwelling of Jesus Christ.

What about in the Eucharist?
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 08:11:50 PM »

Well I hadn't thought about that. I do suppose that I've heard people talk about Christ being in us when we partake of the eucharist! Though I do still wonder about non-eucharistic usage of the language.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 08:29:00 PM »

From the perspective of a convert, I think the emphasis for us is the synergeia (sp?) aspect.  Yes, Christ is in us but then the question becomes now what?.  The answer, I believe, is found in the teaching of theosis.  As Orthodox Christians, we first accept the gifts and then work on ever uniting ourselves with Him.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 10:17:44 PM »

When I hear this type of devotional language among various Christians, it brings to mind the piety found in St Patrick's breastplate prayer:

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Christ to shield me today
Against poison, against burning,
Against drowning, against wounding,
So that there may come to me abundance of reward.
Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down, Christ when I arise,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.

Here's the whole thing.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2008, 04:23:21 AM »

The first thing I came to think of when reading the OT is that we are encouraged to see Christ in other people.
So the same idea certainly exists in the Orthodox Church, but not necessarily in that we speak about ourselves that way.
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