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« on: December 22, 2008, 06:46:15 PM »

What is the place (and emphasis) of the "blood of Jesus" in Orthodox theology? There seem to be a lot of Scriptural passages which mention it, but Orthodoxy seems to shy away from such language unless it is in the eucharistic context. Here are a few examples from the Scriptures of what I'm talking about:

"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" - Heb. 9:14

"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." - Rom. 5:9

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." - 1 Jn. 1:7

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" - 1 Pet. 1:18-19
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008, 07:35:38 PM »

What is the place (and emphasis) of the "blood of Jesus" in Orthodox theology? There seem to be a lot of Scriptural passages which mention it, but Orthodoxy seems to shy away from such language unless it is in the eucharistic context.

What other context is needed?
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008, 07:40:07 PM »

I'm going to agree with ialmisry on this one for the Blood of Christ is seen as a metaphor for Baptism.
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 07:43:46 PM »

As an atonement for sin, "justified by his blood," etc.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 07:47:23 PM »

I'm going to agree with ialmisry on this one for the Blood of Christ is seen as a metaphor for Baptism.

What??? Please tell me you meant to say "Communion" and not "Baptism."
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2008, 07:50:30 PM »

I'm going to agree with ialmisry on this one for the Blood of Christ is seen as a metaphor for Baptism.

What??? Please tell me you meant to say "Communion" and not "Baptism."

Doesn't a Holy Tradition say that the skull of Adam (which was on the site of Golgotha) was Baptized by the blood and water which gushed from the side of Christ after being stabbed post-mortem?
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2008, 08:01:48 PM »

It's not a "metaphor" for anything.  It is what it says it is: the blood that was shed on the Cross from the flesh of the God-Man.

Baptism effects the work of the Blood, yes, but we wouldn't say it's a "symbol" of the Blood.

I think the difference you're referring to stems from the misuse by some western Christians of these verses.  The blood of Jesus is seen exclusively as a divine and infinitely worthy forensic and legal transaction paid by the Son to the Father in order to "square our bill" with the Father, thus "justifying" and "cleansing" us from our sin, which is ultimately a legal debt in the mind of the Father that needs to be cleared.

We definitely use the blood of Jesus, but our use of it tends to be much more ontological and based on our obedience, which I would say is the use we see in those passages you cited.  Mankind, as St. Athanasius pointed out, owed a debt, but it was not a debt of offense or transgression of law to the Father, but rather a natural consequence of mortality that was the direct result of our separating ourselves from the Source of our life.  We are brought from the body of death we're in and placed in a place where we can potentially "serve the living God."  We, then, "if we walk in the light, as he is in the light," make use of the Life that is in the Blood which then counteracts the death in our members.

See HERE and HERE for a more lengthy reflection of mine.
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2008, 08:06:02 PM »

I'm going to agree with ialmisry on this one for the Blood of Christ is seen as a metaphor for Baptism.

What??? Please tell me you meant to say "Communion" and not "Baptism."

I recall a number of Traditions linking Baptism and Eucharist with the water and blood out of the Lord's side. Besides that, and the Blood on Adam's skull, and the baptism of blood of martyrs, I don't know of any other link between blood explicitly linked to the waters of baptism, though we are baptized into Christ's death.
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 12:36:29 AM »

DavidBryan,

Along with the articles you linked to, thank you also for your posts, both here and also on the thread Why Orthodox do not believe in the penal satifaction theory....
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 02:59:56 AM »

You're welcome.  Thank God they've helped.
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