This was his reply after the laughter...
I maintain what I said all along. The bible says that believers are priests (and Kings) it says that we have no need of a teacher because the Holy Spirit instructs us.
Then you dispensed with the NT I guess, since the Apostles write that they write to instruct. Romans 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”
A guy orating before a group is Greco-Roman by origin and not as the original church did nor wrote about.
I'm not sure what, if anything, is being said here.
I did not say I knew nothing about the orthodox church. I said i never looked into the "Albanian" Orthodox Church. I read a some books that came from an Orthodox (which specific brand escapes me not greek nor Russian maybe eastern) church when I traveled about doing music ministry. The guys wore cool robes with leather belts and shared their opinions. I asked a lot of questions and the books were mostly accounts of, so called, holy men monks and hermits and their struggles to fast pray and overcome their sin etc. I found it interesting.
So you heard someone who was sent. So I'll continue the quote:
Romans 10:16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH,
AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.”
19 But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION,
BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU.”
20 And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,
I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”
21 But as for Israel He says, “ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE.”
When I told you who I am in Christ
Christ I know.
And Paul I know.
And St. Ignatius I know.
And Patriarch Ignatius IV of Antioch I know.
But who are you? (Acts 19:15).
and what I have done your response seemed to imply that I am proud and that I think my prayers are effective because I'm awesome er something. That is what I laughed because you must not know me very well. My prayers are answered because God loves me and I love him and because I pray in the name of Jesus.
Didn't work for the Seven sons of the High Priest in Acts 19.
Adulterers and fornicators usually tell each other they love each other. Doesn't make it a legitimate relationship.
Possibly he might even care about the demonized person or the person in need of healing?
No doubt about that.
The reason I told you this about me was because I wanted to stress the beauty, importance and potency of being in a personal relationship with my Dad in heaven through my big brother Yeshua.
Soo Joe Smith, your heavenly Daddy came down and personally gave you the Bible and big bro' Yeshua baptized you, huh?
As the Fathers say, he who will not have the Church as his Mother, cannot have God as His Father.
"For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel." Paul to the Corintians (I 4:15). Actually it says "I have begotten you through the Gospel."
[/quote]In general Religion seeks to get in the middle of that[/quote]
Don't need religion. You need the Church.
Tell me, what stops him from creating God in his own image, a la Joe Smith Jr?
"I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave household of God, which is the Church
of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth" - 1 Timothy 3:14-15
and ruin it as man usually does and powerful men always do.
Like St. Ignatius of Antioch? St. Polycarp? St. John Chrysostom?
When we stand before God at the final judgement he won't ask what church we belonged to
Yes, we will.
Luke 10:16 "The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me."
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we?'
23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!'"
The way of salvation is as simple
He means "simplistic."
as Romans 10: 9-10.
He is aware, that the verses numbers are not in the Bible, that the Church put them in?
Same man wrote this:
Galatians 1:18 I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.
and was written of him:
Acts 9:26 When he came to Jerusalem, he was trying to associate with the disciples; but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus
Which he recalled:
Galatians 2:9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Seems you want to prove St. Peter right (second epistle, chapter 3)
14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
It is not complicated.
Then why did the Lord call it a "narrow gate?" Repentence is a life long endevor. Grace is not cheap.
We are required no men with funny hats or strange collars.
Unless you're wearing a robe and sandals, I'd watch it (the thoughts of the 1st century of those in the Roman Empire on pants have survived, and they aren't pretty).
How about those monks with the funny haircuts, copying those manuscripts for a millenium, without which your friend James with the funny hat (called a crown) wouldn't have had anything to make your Bible for you.
Prelates is a poor translation elder is more like it.
Presbyter or priest is better still. It was a religious term for clergy amongst the Hebrews before Christ already.
No institution provides this an elder or shepherd is one who by virtue of demonstration shows himself to be full of the fruit of the spirit they should be married to one woman and have obedient children etc. -there is a whole list in there.
Yes, you left out the requirement of laying on of hands from the apostles. I Titus 1:5, I Tim. 5:22, II Tim 2:2, I Tim. 4:14, Acts 13:2-3 (btw, the Greek says "served the Liturgy to the Lord..") Acts 20:17, 28.
These people are called by God to God's children and should be listened to and should administrate the service part of their administration should be allowing everyone who has something to share.
Now, is that what St. Paul tells the bishops (yes, that's the proper term) in Acts 20, where, for the Apostles, he hands the Church off to their successors the bishops? Does he so instruct bishops St. Timothy and St. Titus, in his epistles to them (they should be in his Bible, if they aren't he has bigger problems)? Seems like talks alot about passing on the Tradition (they same that he warned the II Thessalonians 2:15 "So then, brothers, stand firm, and hold the traditions which you were taught by us, whether by word, or by letter." 3:6 "Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother who walks in rebellion, and not after the tradition which they received from us" and praised the 1 Corinthians 11:2 "Now I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions, even as I delivered them to you").
Nothing about a senority system, restricted to administration and coordination.
The object of being a child is to grow up and be an adult so once we've matured we then become elders to others.
Yeah, that's what Dathan, Abiram and Korah were doing. Becoming elders to others.
No one takes this honor upon himself but he is called to it by God, just as Aaron was. Hebrews 5:4.
Which, as St. Paul points out, is why bishops are ordianed so "holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers...." Titus 1:9-10.
We are not to remain milk eating children
Your friend is so childish, I'm not sure he is ready for milk. He has no concept of anyone but "Jesus and me." Well, unless he had a Joseph Smith moment, there is logically more to it than that.
but become productive citizens and then leaders in the Kingdom of God.
No. Christ had many followers, but He set the disciples aside as leaders. Hence the word "SEPARATE to Me Barnabas and Saul (Acts 13:2)." Your friend should read Jude 5,11 in light of his "funny hat" comment. Part of being a productive citizen is obeying lawful authority.
The Kingdom is not Christendom the Kingdom of God is in our hearts.
If you don't have a relationship with God personally then all you have is a religion. you know banging gong, clanging cymbal etc.
and if you don't have the Church, you can't have her Book the Bible, nor be joined to Christ, whose Body she is.
Religion can not save.
Nor can religious experience, even if you call it "born again."
Knowledge can not save.
Nor can willful ignorance.
Yeshua alone saves.
Then why did He found the Church?
All the above propositions should be "X only doesn't save."
Btw, what's the bit with Yeshua? Something against Jesus?
Religion is often attempt to save oneself and truly weak it is.
So is making up your own idiosyncratic Faith. Didn't work for Joe Smith, won't work for you.
Religion usually ends in murder(there is a history of that in many religions and denominations) love does not.
Care to account for the MASSIVE amount of charitable works, orphanages, etc. etc. etc. that owe their existence to the Church? Why did Russia, when the Soviet Union fell, dump all the social services etc. onto the Church, when it had made it illegal for the Church to do any social work during the whole of the communism?
So, my friend (I say this with a smile) Knowing God is not like a martial art it is having a family to love you and be loved by.
Hmmm. My family has a geneology, a history, traditions, authority, boudaries. That is how it is filled with love. My ex wife wanted to do her own thing (adultery-after all they were in "love", passing the children off as anothers, divorce, threatenign police action against her mother when she didn't agree with her, be rude to relatives and fight with them because they will always be there since they're blood, etc.) too. That's why she spends the holidays alone.
Sounds like your family is more like hers.
It is much more simple. I offer you this lay it all at the feet of Jesus and be free sin has already been dealt with.
Sorry, mantras aren't Christian.
We need not struggle every need is already met for those who LOVE him.
Where does Christ make this promise of a easy way for the believer? I only have warnings about hardship in my four Gospels. Which angel of light preached to you the "gospel" of health and wealth?
And why was St. Paul filling with his sufferings what was lacking in Christ's, for the sake of His Body which is the CHURCH? Col. 1:24
Jesus said whoever calls on my name I will in nowise reject.
Matthew 7:23 drop out of your Bible?
The knowledgeable are nothing to God he knows the rules of chaos which can not be known. He sees the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning and he loves You Chris Bailey! WOW As much as anything he has done for him it has been done for you too. He does not hold us to a standard that he does not keep himself. He Loves You and would like to walk with you in the cool of the evening.
He also would like you to walk with Him.
Take it to the bank er um uh a-men
You can get jailed with passing counterfeit bills.
Come instead to the Treasury of the Church, whom Christ has adorned with the riches of the saints who bought gold refined in the fire from Him so that they might be rich. Do not go to him who buried his talent.