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Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« on: December 10, 2008, 04:48:29 PM »
The New Testament of the Eastern Orthodox Bible was released today: http://www.orthodox-church.info/eob/ .  Does anyone have any information / criticism about it?  Thanks!

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 04:53:59 PM »
Never heard of it before.  Interesting that we have gone from no Orthodox Bibles to a glut.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 05:02:26 PM »
First time I'm hearing of it, and if I'm reading the site correctly the OT won't be released until Dec. 2009? I tried to go to their Lulu store to see the prices, though only the 10.25 x 8.75 Hardcover version seems to be available at the moment (at $40).
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 06:02:24 PM »
I thought the EOB Old Testament was already out; I know we've got a thread about it around here somewhere...
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 06:11:32 PM »
I've updated the tag at the bottom to link to the other EOB thread.

(And now back to our discussion, already in progress....)
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 06:23:21 PM »
First time I'm hearing of it, and if I'm reading the site correctly the OT won't be released until Dec. 2009? I tried to go to their Lulu store to see the prices, though only the 10.25 x 8.75 Hardcover version seems to be available at the moment (at $40).

Ordering the hard cover from lulu worked ok for me earlier today.  Yes, it's just the NT, it says another year for the OT.  You can also download the NT in pdf from their download page, as well as part of the introduction to the OT (which has some interesting articles...)

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 06:45:26 PM »
The bad grammar in this section isn't comforting:

"Also, one limitation of the OSB is that it does not contains any scholarly introduction to the Old Testament in generally, part of which could have allowed the readers to know what underlying manuscripts of existing translations were used."

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http://www.orthodox-church.info/eob/osb.asp

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 03:31:31 PM »
I came across this recently (though after I'd bought the Orthodox Study Bible).

I know what you mean about the grammar, it seems to a problem in some places. I found a typo in Zacharia in one of the footnotes and sent off an email. I got a polite reply very quickly saying that they would correct it. So I'd recommend forwarding any corrections to them as they seem very keen to fix typos/grammatical issues as and when they are found.

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 11:20:29 PM »
Does anyone know what happened to the EOB project? Last month their website said that the new edition was about to go to print, and now the website's down...
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2011, 11:40:30 PM »
By new edition do you mean a new edition of the New Testament, or one of the Old Testament volumes being released for the first time?

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 11:43:20 PM »
I believe it's a new, presumably final edition of their NT, which is not print-on-demand.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 11:47:24 PM »
Well that sucks, because I bought the print on demand version last year. I didn't know they were doing something more official or I would have waited.

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 11:52:40 PM »
Chances are the new edition wouldn't be drastically different from what you already have.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2011, 12:00:50 AM »
Any inside intel on how close their Old Testament is to completion?

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2011, 11:15:33 PM »
Their final NT is out. According to the website, the full EOB should be done at the end of 2012. They also are planning to release their Psalter at the end of this month (July) and an extensive revision of St. Philaret's catechism in December 2011.

Two annoying things I noticed: 1. they translate "bishops" as "overseers". The reason they give is that bishops and presbyters were interchangeable terms at the time, but I don't see why that would prevent them from using the word bishop.

2. They have an article at the end arguing that, in the Orthodox Church, bishops are not properly successors of the apostles but of St. Peter alone. This perspective is rather arguable and I'd rather they didn't include their pet theories in the pages of a Bible.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 12:40:43 AM »
Two annoying things I noticed: 1. they translate "bishops" as "overseers". The reason they give is that bishops and presbyters were interchangeable terms at the time, but I don't see why that would prevent them from using the word bishop.

I know you probably know this. But bishop is a Latinization of the Greek episkopos which means overseer in terms of the a servant that watches over the household when the Master is away.

It is the discontinuity in the English language between the word we use within the Church today that gives you pause?

Frankly, within the use of literal and figurative language of the NT of masters and slaves / servants (I hate the rendering of Mary as handmaiden in the Magnificat) it fits better. Although, I figure is does ring odd initially.

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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2011, 12:47:42 AM »
Two annoying things I noticed: 1. they translate "bishops" as "overseers". The reason they give is that bishops and presbyters were interchangeable terms at the time, but I don't see why that would prevent them from using the word bishop.

I know you probably know this. But bishop is a Latinization of the Greek episkopos which means overseer in terms of the a servant that watches over the household when the Master is away.

It is the discontinuity in the English language between the word we use within the Church today that gives you pause?

Frankly, within the use of literal and figurative language of the NT of masters and slaves / servants (I hate the rendering of Mary as handmaiden in the Magnificat) it fits better. Although, I figure is does ring odd initially.

Yes, I'm aware that bishop is our approximation of "episkopos"; I just said "bishop" for convenience's sake. The thing is, they render "presbyter" as... "presbyter", not "elder." As I understand it, the NT "episkopos" was closer to today's bishop than to today's presbyter.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2011, 12:52:22 AM »
Two annoying things I noticed: 1. they translate "bishops" as "overseers". The reason they give is that bishops and presbyters were interchangeable terms at the time, but I don't see why that would prevent them from using the word bishop.

I know you probably know this. But bishop is a Latinization of the Greek episkopos which means overseer in terms of the a servant that watches over the household when the Master is away.

It is the discontinuity in the English language between the word we use within the Church today that gives you pause?

Frankly, within the use of literal and figurative language of the NT of masters and slaves / servants (I hate the rendering of Mary as handmaiden in the Magnificat) it fits better. Although, I figure is does ring odd initially.

Yes, I'm aware that bishop is our approximation of "episkopos"; I just said "bishop" for convenience's sake. The thing is, they render "presbyter" as... "presbyter", not "elder." As I understand it, the NT "episkopos" was closer to today's bishop than to today's presbyter.

Well that is not very consistent. It would have been interesting if they rendered presbyter as cowherd or with a little poetic license as shepherd.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2011, 08:19:36 AM »
Their final NT is out. According to the website, the full EOB should be done at the end of 2012. They also are planning to release their Psalter at the end of this month (July) and an extensive revision of St. Philaret's catechism in December 2011.
I've read a preview of the psalter somewhere online. I didn't dislike it.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2011, 08:51:24 AM »
I read through any reference I could see on their web site, but cannot figure out to which ecclesial jurisdiction(s) the publishers are affiliated, to any extent.  Are they affiliated with a monastery?  Are they an independent group?  Is there a board of trustees?  (This inquiry is not intended to be critical.)
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2011, 09:01:37 AM »
As far as I can tell, the project is primarily the work of Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck (OCA).
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2011, 09:09:12 AM »
The New Testament of the Eastern Orthodox Bible was released today: http://www.orthodox-church.info/eob/ .  Does anyone have any information / criticism about it?  Thanks!

I see that Mark Bonocore is a contributor.  He is a strongly anti-Orthodox polemicist so his involvement is a surprise.
 
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http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,33870.msg535048.html#msg535048

Apart from that,  how has this been received since its publication?
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2011, 09:11:30 AM »
2. They have an article at the end arguing that, in the Orthodox Church, bishops are not properly successors of the apostles but of St. Peter alone. This perspective is rather arguable and I'd rather they didn't include their pet theories in the pages of a Bible.

This could be Mark Bonocore's anti-Orthodox influence.  It kind of taints the work.
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Re: Eastern Orthodox Bible NT releasted today
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2011, 09:15:18 AM »

2. They have an article at the end arguing that, in the Orthodox Church, bishops are not properly successors of the apostles but of St. Peter alone. This perspective is rather arguable and I'd rather they didn't include their pet theories in the pages of a Bible.

This could be Mark Bonocore's anti-Orthodox influence.  It kind of taints the work.

No, it's probably coming from Fr. Laurent- I believe he argues for it in other books. It is related to anti-RC polemic... the question is, is it a valid assumption?
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