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Should we keep nested quoting in posts?

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Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« on: December 08, 2008, 04:33:19 PM »
Should we keep nested quoting in posts?

That's where when person A quotes person B and then person C quotes person A who had quoted B, it makes a series of nests.

It can get fuzzy when you want to excise some of the quoting. People seem to have trouble with the idea of editing opening and closing tags.

So do we want to get rid of it and when you quote a post where someone quotes someone else, it just quotes their comments?
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 05:36:30 PM »
On the top right corner of every post, there should be two options, "Quote" and "Quote (with Nesting)."  For the very few times that one possibly wants to use nesting quotes to make a certain point in a discussion, they can click on that second one.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 05:41:24 PM »
^ Yes. I believe I had brought that up when we first implemented the nested quote feature. If it's possible to have a single quote and a nested quote feature separately, then I vote for that. If not, I think I'd like to go back to the single quotes. I've had to do a lot more editing of my posts because of nested quote mishaps.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 05:42:21 PM »
On the top right corner of every post, there should be two options, "Quote" and "Quote (with Nesting)."  For the very few times that one possibly wants to use nesting quotes to make a certain point in a discussion, they can click on that second one.

We'll only go that route if there exists an officially-released extension to the software. None of us has time to try and hack the code ourselves.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 05:49:57 PM »
I tend to prefer "fool-proof" methods, but in this case, I think if the only option is to have nested quoting or not, I'd rather have nested quoting. With a little practice, most people will be able to remove any unwanted extra quotes. The reason I'd like to keep them is because we don't have "subthreads", so if a particular conversation is going on in a thread, it is much easier to follow if the conversation is quoted in the response post (which may come weeks later by which time scores of posts and tangents will have come into the thread between the dialogue relevant to the discussion).
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 06:12:50 PM »
I like the nested quotes (sometimes they're useful for following back-and-forth discussion), and have no problem with editing out unnecessary levels if needed.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 06:22:39 PM »
Personally, I like the nested quoting.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 06:24:34 PM »
I do everything manually anyway with copy and paste and writing in the code, so...  ;)

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 06:32:25 PM »
I vote no nested quotes.

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 06:34:27 PM »
Never been a fan of nested quoting.  Never will.  Having a choice is acceptable compromise.

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2008, 02:14:17 AM »
The new way is very confusing ,what nice guy thought of bringing in these new quote boxes...the one who did it should be hugged...wouldn't it be better before any future change that come our way ,to poll the posters if they would like  a change or not..
After all its us the posters that will have to suffer or not by these changes ....my 2 cents worth.....SmileyCentral.com" border="0
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2008, 02:29:56 AM »
I've always found it annoying. Down with nested quotes.

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2008, 07:15:57 AM »
Nested quoting is a heretical innovation, it reduces the role of quotes in the area of postology
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2008, 08:58:44 AM »
Nested quoting is a heretical innovation, it reduces the role of quotes in the area of postology

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2008, 09:02:56 AM »
The new way is very confusing ,what nice guy thought of bringing in these new quote boxes...the one who did it should be hugged...wouldn't it be better before any future change that come our way ,to poll the posters if they would like  a change or not..
After all its us the posters that will have to suffer or not by these changes ....my 2 cents worth.....SmileyCentral.com" border="0
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You have to work pretty hard to get warned in a thread about the technical nature of the forum?

Also I still oppose this ecumenical stance on nested quoting!! We need to be unified in Dogma.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2008, 09:17:00 AM »
I vote to keep the nested quotes.  While they can occasionally get out of hand, in general, they're great for following responses to a conversation without having to constantly backtrack to find what the previously quoted post was referencing.  While some people seem to have issues using them properly, doing so only takes a little bit of time and effort.  I don't see any reason to get rid of the nested quotes.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 11:29:33 AM »
The new way is very confusing ,what nice guy thought of bringing in these new quote boxes...the one who did it should be hugged...wouldn't it be better before any future change that come our way ,to poll the posters if they would like  a change or not..
After all its us the posters that will have to suffer or not by these changes ....my 2 cents worth.....SmileyCentral.com" border="0
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I think you owe Fr. Anastasios an apology.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2008, 11:31:43 AM »
The new way is very confusing ,what nice guy thought of bringing in these new quote boxes...the one who did it should be hugged...wouldn't it be better before any future change that come our way ,to poll the posters if they would like  a change or not..
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2008, 11:33:07 AM »
Do you have any insight into how obnoxious this sounds? Fr. Anastasios, Fr. Chris and the Moderators freely give up their time and energy to provide you all with a site for discussions, and you respond by calling them "morons" in a thread where they have asked for your opinion and feedback.

Remember - thanks to creative editing, he now calls them "nice guys."  That was so kind of him (or the mod who edited & warned him).

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2008, 11:58:42 AM »
A gentle reminder:

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2008, 04:31:22 PM »
I vote to keep the nested quotes.  While they can occasionally get out of hand, in general, they're great for following responses to a conversation without having to constantly backtrack to find what the previously quoted post was referencing.  While some people seem to have issues using them properly, doing so only takes a little bit of time and effort.  I don't see any reason to get rid of the nested quotes.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2008, 05:35:54 PM »
Maybe we can have an option between two tags. nest and quote. This way we can nest a quote or quote a nests.  ;)
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2008, 05:49:19 PM »
The new way is very confusing ,what nice guy thought of bringing in these new quote boxes...the one who did it should be hugged...wouldn't it be better before any future change that come our way ,to poll the posters if they would like  a change or not..
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2008, 05:56:59 PM »
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2008, 06:08:04 PM »
Maybe we can have an option between two tags. nest and quote. This way we can nest a quote or quote a nests.  ;)

I'm with Demetri.  Sometimes i like the nesting, other times it is VERY difficult.  I always lose track of where the \quote is.  Having the option would be perfect for me. 

In general though, i'm not a big fan of the nesting b/c it makes it harder to just respond to one of the sentences as opposed to all of them.  Before, you could just cut the last parts of the paragraph and just put in the quote bubble and people could figure out what you're talking about linearly.  Now, you have to separate EVERYTHING out, you have to make sure that your not WITHIN the /quote area.  It is much harder to separate thoughts, b/c everything is nestled together. 

Anyway, for a person like me it is much more difficult and as a matter of fact in the past couple of weeks that we've had the nesting I have barely quoted another person, or if I did I just copied and pasted and put their name in front of it...which is not the same as linking and etc. 
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2008, 06:08:48 PM »
I know the apology was primarily to Fr Anastasios, and I did not want to interject prior to his response, but now that he has....

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2008, 03:27:38 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2008, 08:37:55 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

Keep the nesting!

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just like in all my other math problems, I need an example.  I am not connecting what you talked about, with the example of nesting.  Can you please lay it out for me? 

I also don't understand what you're talking about in terms of posts within posts within posts? 

Also, lets say I only want to reply to ONE of the quotes within a nest of 5 quotes...how would I do that?  How would I separate them out, while keeping the one post, without it being "nested" and then the rest of the quotes being "nested" within the original nest? 

Let me know if that makes sense...i'm trying to prove a point but at the same time honestly ask a question.  If you can answer the question, we'll see if you can prove or disprove my point.  Thanks! 
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2008, 02:23:36 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

Keep the nesting!

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just like in all my other math problems, I need an example.  I am not connecting what you talked about, with the example of nesting.  Can you please lay it out for me? 

I also don't understand what you're talking about in terms of posts within posts within posts? 

Also, lets say I only want to reply to ONE of the quotes within a nest of 5 quotes...how would I do that?  How would I separate them out, while keeping the one post, without it being "nested" and then the rest of the quotes being "nested" within the original nest? 

Let me know if that makes sense...i'm trying to prove a point but at the same time honestly ask a question.  If you can answer the question, we'll see if you can prove or disprove my point.  Thanks! 
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Other examples of the distributive rule:
a * (x - y) = a * x - a * y
(x + y)/a = x/a + y/a
(x - y)/a = x/a - y/a

PEMDAS actually speaks of the proper order to follow in solving a mathematical operation.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2008, 02:27:17 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

It may not be that difficult, but RPN is far easier and more efficient. ;)
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2008, 02:30:46 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

It may not be that difficult, but RPN is far easier and more efficient. ;)
RPN?  I probably know the concept, but I'm not familiar with the acronym.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2008, 02:32:26 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

Keep the nesting!

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just like in all my other math problems, I need an example.  I am not connecting what you talked about, with the example of nesting.  Can you please lay it out for me? 

I also don't understand what you're talking about in terms of posts within posts within posts? 

Also, lets say I only want to reply to ONE of the quotes within a nest of 5 quotes...how would I do that?  How would I separate them out, while keeping the one post, without it being "nested" and then the rest of the quotes being "nested" within the original nest? 

Let me know if that makes sense...i'm trying to prove a point but at the same time honestly ask a question.  If you can answer the question, we'll see if you can prove or disprove my point.  Thanks! 

This might be more for GiC's level, but ignoring the formula, how would you apply the order of operation rules to this equation? (bonus points for telling me what equation this is)
(-1)(|a|-1)(|b|-1){a,[b,c]}+(-1)(|b|-1)(|C|-1){b,[a,c]}+(-1)(|c|-1)(|a|-1){c,[a,b]}=0

Now for the question that's more at the rest of our level:

[(((456*4)*7)+(65-42))] = ???



To answer your second question, If I have 3 posts and there is no nesting, I post the most recent one quoting you. If I want to see what you were referring to, I have to look at what was quoted from the post before that. If I want to see what that person was talking about, I have to look at the post before that. Whereas, if we have nested quotes, I look at your post and I follow the entire conversation.

To answer question 3, I'd look at the beginning quote tag that has the author's name in it and keep that one, then remove the other beginning quote tags from the quotes and then remove all of the text that isn't related to the author you're quoting, and then keep one of the /Quote tags at the end.


-Nick
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2008, 02:39:08 PM »
RPN?  I probably know the concept, but I'm not familiar with the acronym.

Reverse Polish Notation, it was the standard notation used in nearly all early scientific calculators, most notably HP. I still refuse to use any calculator that does not implement it, it easily doubles the speed with which you can input problems of any complexity.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2008, 02:52:54 PM »
RPN?  I probably know the concept, but I'm not familiar with the acronym.

Reverse Polish Notation, it was the standard notation used in nearly all early scientific calculators, most notably HP. I still refuse to use any calculator that does not implement it, it easily doubles the speed with which you can input problems of any complexity.
Something I actually learned in a computer science class.  RPN works extremely well when using a stack to perform math operations.
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2008, 07:57:28 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

Keep the nesting!

-Nick

See, I want to put an answer right here because I want to be linear in answering your topics...let's see what happens (I assume that this little answer will be within the blue "quote" boxes, and not outside.)

just like in all my other math problems, I need an example.  I am not connecting what you talked about, with the example of nesting.  Can you please lay it out for me? 

I also don't understand what you're talking about in terms of posts within posts within posts? 

Also, lets say I only want to reply to ONE of the quotes within a nest of 5 quotes...how would I do that?  How would I separate them out, while keeping the one post, without it being "nested" and then the rest of the quotes being "nested" within the original nest? 

Let me know if that makes sense...i'm trying to prove a point but at the same time honestly ask a question.  If you can answer the question, we'll see if you can prove or disprove my point.  Thanks! 

This might be more for GiC's level, but ignoring the formula, how would you apply the order of operation rules to this equation? (bonus points for telling me what equation this is)
(-1)(|a|-1)(|b|-1){a,[b,c]}+(-1)(|b|-1)(|C|-1){b,[a,c]}+(-1)(|c|-1)(|a|-1){c,[a,b]}=0

Now for the question that's more at the rest of our level:

[(((456*4)*7)+(65-42))] = ???



To answer your second question, If I have 3 posts and there is no nesting, I post the most recent one quoting you. If I want to see what you were referring to, I have to look at what was quoted from the post before that. If I want to see what that person was talking about, I have to look at the post before that. Whereas, if we have nested quotes, I look at your post and I follow the entire conversation.

To answer question 3, I'd look at the beginning quote tag that has the author's name in it and keep that one, then remove the other beginning quote tags from the quotes and then remove all of the text that isn't related to the author you're quoting, and then keep one of the /Quote tags at the end.


-Nick

I am not really sure still how that works Nick.  I am trying to give you an example of my confusion/frustration WITHIN this topic/post, so perhaps maybe you can walk me through it?  Let's see...

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2008, 09:47:59 AM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

Keep the nesting!

-Nick

I can now respond just to this quote. I cleaned out all of the other quotes in less than 30 seconds and I'm left simply with this one. I deleted all of the headers except "quote author=admiralnick link=topic=18738.msg276497#msg276497 date=1229020346" and then figured out which block of text was mine, and then eliminated all of the other text except the ending "/quote" tag.

-Nick
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2008, 09:57:59 AM »
RPN?  I probably know the concept, but I'm not familiar with the acronym.

Reverse Polish Notation, it was the standard notation used in nearly all early scientific calculators, most notably HP. I still refuse to use any calculator that does not implement it, it easily doubles the speed with which you can input problems of any complexity.

I prefer DAL as it has become the standard since 1990. ;)
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2008, 01:36:57 PM »
When does the poll/question expire?  Out of 30 votes thus far, 17 are for dropping the nested quotes. 
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2008, 04:00:55 PM »
I feel that the nested quotes are good, because its difficult to keep scrolling up and down to find the post quoted by the post quoted by the post. Honestly, using the tags in Quotes is no harder than doing basic math. Remember the distributive rule, or Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally? Sometimes math problems with parenthecies can be difficult, but if you work it out logically with the innermost one, its not so bad, right GiC? SO with that being said, If you can solve a math problem you can do nested quotes. (what movie is this quote based on? Hint: Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn).

Keep the nesting!

-Nick

I can now respond just to this quote. I cleaned out all of the other quotes in less than 30 seconds and I'm left simply with this one. I deleted all of the headers except "quote author=admiralnick link=topic=18738.msg276497#msg276497 date=1229020346" and then figured out which block of text was mine, and then eliminated all of the other text except the ending "/quote" tag.

-Nick

Yah, but I could just do that before by just clicking on the "quote" button, that just directly quoted from the post you wanted, instead of nesting.  no editing necessary, so I wouldn't have even needed to clean up any "nesting" period. 

See my point?  Nesting might be nice if you want to keep the progression of thought, but that's the whole point of reading the posts before..........I don't know...
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2008, 02:55:41 AM »

I can now respond just to this quote. I cleaned out all of the other quotes in less than 30 seconds and I'm left simply with this one. I deleted all of the headers except "quote author=admiralnick link=topic=18738.msg276497#msg276497 date=1229020346" and then figured out which block of text was mine, and then eliminated all of the other text except the ending "/quote" tag.

-Nick

That's exactly what I have been doing.  Goodness, if I can do it, anyone can.   :) :P

The quote things, though, have to be in brackets:  []

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2008, 07:58:58 AM »
After letting this discussion go on for several days, I've finally voted to keep the nested quotes format, for now. There are obvious pros and cons involved. It seems they become most troublesome in threads where there are many one-liner rejoinders quoted which makes reading the flow difficult (much less editing), but on whole and despite this, I prefer them.

Perhaps we could give them a bit more time and re-visit the question after we all get just a bit more experience?
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2008, 12:12:15 PM »
After letting this discussion go on for several days, I've finally voted to keep the nested quotes format, for now. There are obvious pros and cons involved. It seems they become most troublesome in threads where there are many one-liner rejoinders quoted which makes reading the flow difficult (much less editing), but on whole and despite this, I prefer them.

Perhaps we could give them a bit more time and re-visit the question after we all get just a bit more experience?

That's the easy answer.  I'd rather just keep complaining until I get what I want.   ;)  It worked in grade school.   ;D
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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2008, 06:51:39 PM »
I tend to prefer "fool-proof" methods, but in this case, I think if the only option is to have nested quoting or not, I'd rather have nested quoting. With a little practice, most people will be able to remove any unwanted extra quotes. The reason I'd like to keep them is because we don't have "subthreads", so if a particular conversation is going on in a thread, it is much easier to follow if the conversation is quoted in the response post (which may come weeks later by which time scores of posts and tangents will have come into the thread between the dialogue relevant to the discussion).

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2008, 06:59:38 PM »
We have a plurality but not a supermajority against nested quotes.

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Re: Should we keep nested quoting in posts?
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2008, 07:56:51 PM »
We have a plurality but not a supermajority against nested quotes.

I'll continue to hack out unneeded quotes.   :D

In North American usage it would be more correct to say that it has received a majority of the votes, as it has over 50%. In British usage the correct term would be absolute majority since majority can be interpreted as synonymous to plurality in North American usage (more than any other candidate/proposition/etc., but less that 50%).

Supermajority is a relative term depending on the context. In the United States Senate it may be generally regarded as 3/5ths, the number of votes required to end a filibuster. However, in another context in the Senate (such as a trial to convict someone and remove them from office or to present a Constitutional amendment to the states), and in several other cases, a supermajority would be regarded as 2/3rds. To actually amend the Constitution a supermajority of 3/4ths the states is required, in this context a mere 2/3rds of the states would not represent a supermajority in any meaningful sense.
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