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Offline Myrrh23

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τάυ and πί
« on: January 01, 2009, 12:55:52 PM »
In Modern Greek, is the Greek τ spoken as a "d", as in "dog"? If so, why is it spoken "t" as in "toy" in the words "delta"(δελτα) and "itta"(Ήτα)? Thanks!  :)

Also, how is "πί" pronounced? Is it pronounced as "fee" or "bee"? Thank you very much! :)
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 01:48:31 PM »
In Modern Greek, is the Greek τ spoken as a "d", as in "dog"? If so, why is it spoken "t" as in "toy" in the words "delta"(δελτα) and "itta"(Ήτα)? Thanks!  :)
The Greek "τ" is pronounced as the English "d" only when it follows the Greek letter "ν". So "αντι" (anti) is pronounced "andy" in Greek with the stress on the second syllable.

Also, how is "πί" pronounced? Is it pronounced as "fee" or "bee"? Thank you very much! :)
"Fee" and "bee" rhyme in Australian Englsh, so I can't hear the difference. If the second letter is supposed to be an iota ("ι"- i.e., it has no dot above it) then "πι" would be pronounced as the "pi" in "piston".
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 02:34:51 PM »
What websites would you recommend for learning the Greek language, George? I'm starting to use a book called Conversational Greek in 7 Days, so that is helping a little, though it's frustrating to see some websites pronouncing the letters differently. Thank you! :)
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 02:49:45 PM »
What websites would you recommend for learning the Greek language, George? I'm starting to use a book called Conversational Greek in 7 Days, so that is helping a little, though it's frustrating to see some websites pronouncing the letters differently. Thank you! :)
I really wouldn't know about websites. I learned Greek in Greek School from the age of 6 till I was 18, and that was pre-Internet! (The first 3/4 of my education was pre-PC!)
Fr. Anastasios is currently learning modern Greek. Perhaps he can direct you?
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2009, 12:11:33 AM »
What websites would you recommend for learning the Greek language, George? I'm starting to use a book called Conversational Greek in 7 Days, so that is helping a little, though it's frustrating to see some websites pronouncing the letters differently. Thank you! :)
I really wouldn't know about websites. I learned Greek in Greek School from the age of 6 till I was 18, and that was pre-Internet! (The first 3/4 of my education was pre-PC!)
Fr. Anastasios is currently learning modern Greek. Perhaps he can direct you?

George how did you finish school without the internet (and dare I say with out a PC)!!! :D
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2009, 03:07:40 AM »
In Modern Greek, is the Greek τ spoken as a "d", as in "dog"? If so, why is it spoken "t" as in "toy" in the words "delta"(δελτα) and "itta"(Ήτα)? Thanks!  :)
The Greek "τ" is pronounced as the English "d" only when it follows the Greek letter "ν". So "αντι" (anti) is pronounced "andy" in Greek with the stress on the second syllable.

Also, how is "πί" pronounced? Is it pronounced as "fee" or "bee"? Thank you very much! :)
"Fee" and "bee" rhyme in Australian Englsh, so I can't hear the difference. If the second letter is supposed to be an iota ("ι"- i.e., it has no dot above it) then "πι" would be pronounced as the "pi" in "piston".

π is "p," except in the same circumstances (i.e. after a nasal) that T is "d," in which case π is "b."
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2009, 07:52:04 AM »
In Modern Greek, is the Greek τ spoken as a "d", as in "dog"? If so, why is it spoken "t" as in "toy" in the words "delta"(δελτα) and "itta"(Ήτα)? Thanks!  :)
The Greek "τ" is pronounced as the English "d" only when it follows the Greek letter "ν". So "αντι" (anti) is pronounced "andy" in Greek with the stress on the second syllable.

Also, how is "πί" pronounced? Is it pronounced as "fee" or "bee"? Thank you very much! :)
"Fee" and "bee" rhyme in Australian Englsh, so I can't hear the difference. If the second letter is supposed to be an iota ("ι"- i.e., it has no dot above it) then "πι" would be pronounced as the "pi" in "piston".

π is "p," except in the same circumstances (i.e. after a nasal) that T is "d," in which case π is "b."

 ??? I got lost in that. :D

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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 10:17:04 AM »
What websites would you recommend for learning the Greek language, George? I'm starting to use a book called Conversational Greek in 7 Days, so that is helping a little, though it's frustrating to see some websites pronouncing the letters differently. Thank you! :)

Hi myrrh23,
Perhaps some of these (from among my several dozen bookmarked) might help:
http://langintro.com/greek/
http://www.xanthi.ilsp.gr/filog/
http://www.webtopos.gr/eng/languages/greek/index.htm
http://modern-greek-verbs.tripod.com/home.html
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2009, 12:28:33 PM »
 ;D Thanks, Αριστοκλής!!  ;D
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Re: τάυ and πί
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 02:04:46 PM »
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π is "p," except in the same circumstances (i.e. after a nasal) that T is "d," in which case π is "b."
Yes, but only in the beginning of the word. If μπ or ντ (mp-nt) appears in the middle of the word, then mp is pronounced m-b (and not b) and nt-->n-d (and not d)
Par example:
Κάμπος-Kampos (the plain) is pron Kam-bos
Εκπομπή-Ekpompi (broadcast, transmission) is pron Ekpom-bi
However, if μπ or ντ appear twice, ad seriatim within a word, then they're pronounced as the english b or d
Par example:
Μπαμπάς (Mpampas-dad) is pron babas
Νταντά (Ntanta-nanny) is pron dada 
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