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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2016, 01:15:09 AM »
Bad Church music is one of the reasons I often find myself attending the local Byzantine Catholic Church.

But even bad hymns that is sung from the heart is genuine and worthy of God's attention.
I am Orthodox and even we have some sour notes now and then but we show our prayers in the form of singing and I know that God is listening.

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2016, 11:24:25 PM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

As a former RC I always loved the 'Pange Lingua' , also 'Holy God we praise Thy Name' sung during Benediction.  I wonder if they still celebrate Benediction? Its a beautiful Service.
Yes, Benediction usually marks the end of a Holy Hour when parishes do that.

I wouldn't mix rites, but the Sequences from the Roman Rite for Easter, Pentecost (Veni Creator Spiritus), Requiem Mass (Dies Irae) and the Stabat Mater which I forgot which Mass it is for, are quite impressive.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2016, 11:29:44 PM »
Probably the best Catholic Hymnal today is the Adoremus Hymnal.

I prefer this one ;)
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All they had to do was translate that and adapt the melodies! Preferably in the Old Roman style with the restored isons...
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2016, 07:02:39 AM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

As a former RC I always loved the 'Pange Lingua' , also 'Holy God we praise Thy Name' sung during Benediction.  I wonder if they still celebrate Benediction? Its a beautiful Service.
Yes, Benediction usually marks the end of a Holy Hour when parishes do that.

I wouldn't mix rites, but the Sequences from the Roman Rite for Easter, Pentecost (Veni Creator Spiritus), Requiem Mass (Dies Irae) and the Stabat Mater which I forgot which Mass it is for, are quite impressive.
Stabat Mater is usually sung at Stations of the Cross, a verse after each station.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2016, 12:05:36 PM »
Bad Church music is one of the reasons I often find myself attending the local Byzantine Catholic Church.

But even bad hymns that is sung from the heart is genuine and worthy of God's attention.
I am Orthodox and even we have some sour notes now and then but we show our prayers in the form of singing and I know that God is listening.
Here's a fun 1970s hymn still sung in Roman Churches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kI7dy2W9oc&spfreload=5
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2016, 01:36:58 PM »
Do RC parishes still sing Mozart's Requiem?

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Because I like it.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2016, 03:30:24 PM »
Do RC parishes still sing Mozart's Requiem?

(link removed - LS)

Because I like it.

It's a Pony Kind of Christmas: We Wish You a Merry Christmas ??? Quite different from the Requiem.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2016, 03:57:47 PM by LizaSymonenko »
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2016, 04:35:57 PM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

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« Last Edit: December 02, 2016, 04:40:31 PM by byhisgrace »
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2016, 08:54:45 PM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

As a former RC I always loved the 'Pange Lingua' , also 'Holy God we praise Thy Name' sung during Benediction.  I wonder if they still celebrate Benediction? Its a beautiful Service.
Yes, Benediction usually marks the end of a Holy Hour when parishes do that.

I wouldn't mix rites, but the Sequences from the Roman Rite for Easter, Pentecost (Veni Creator Spiritus), Requiem Mass (Dies Irae) and the Stabat Mater which I forgot which Mass it is for, are quite impressive.

Stabat Mater is the sequence for September 15, the Feast of the Seven Sorrows of the BVM. It was suppressed after Trent but restored shortly thereafter. There used to be a second feast of the Seven Sorrows on the Friday before Holy Week; I'm not sure if the sequence was used then as well.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2016, 10:13:36 AM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

Dominika, can you please delete my last post?

I'm not able to do it, you have to PM the moderator of this section or the global one.

Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

As a former RC I always loved the 'Pange Lingua' , also 'Holy God we praise Thy Name' sung during Benediction.  I wonder if they still celebrate Benediction? Its a beautiful Service.
Yes, Benediction usually marks the end of a Holy Hour when parishes do that.

I wouldn't mix rites, but the Sequences from the Roman Rite for Easter, Pentecost (Veni Creator Spiritus), Requiem Mass (Dies Irae) and the Stabat Mater which I forgot which Mass it is for, are quite impressive.

Stabat Mater is the sequence for September 15, the Feast of the Seven Sorrows of the BVM. It was suppressed after Trent but restored shortly thereafter. There used to be a second feast of the Seven Sorrows on the Friday before Holy Week; I'm not sure if the sequence was used then as well.

I thought Stabat Mater is the sequence of the Holy Friday? It's still done here on this day, but usually not before the Gospel.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2016, 10:17:36 AM »
Do RC parishes still sing Mozart's Requiem?

(Link removed - LS)

Because I like it.

Amazing.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2016, 10:27:53 AM »
I've liked everything I've heard from the San Antonio Vocal Arts Ensemble, personally.

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2016, 07:52:21 AM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

Dominika, can you please delete my last post?

I'm not able to do it, you have to PM the moderator of this section or the global one.

Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

As a former RC I always loved the 'Pange Lingua' , also 'Holy God we praise Thy Name' sung during Benediction.  I wonder if they still celebrate Benediction? Its a beautiful Service.
Yes, Benediction usually marks the end of a Holy Hour when parishes do that.

I wouldn't mix rites, but the Sequences from the Roman Rite for Easter, Pentecost (Veni Creator Spiritus), Requiem Mass (Dies Irae) and the Stabat Mater which I forgot which Mass it is for, are quite impressive.

Stabat Mater is the sequence for September 15, the Feast of the Seven Sorrows of the BVM. It was suppressed after Trent but restored shortly thereafter. There used to be a second feast of the Seven Sorrows on the Friday before Holy Week; I'm not sure if the sequence was used then as well.

I thought Stabat Mater is the sequence of the Holy Friday? It's still done here on this day, but usually not before the Gospel.

It is used devotionally that day in many places, but not prescribed by the rubrics. In that case it isn't really a sequence, but just a hymn. The only days with a sequence are Easter, Pentecost, Corpus Christi, and the Seven Sorrows. In the traditional rite, All Souls and the Requiem Masses have Dies Irae, but that was removed in the Novus Ordo. The 2002 edition of the Missal for some reason moved the place of the sequence from immediately before the Gospel to before the Alleluia; they are also only mandatory in the Novus Ordo on Easter and Pentecost.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2016, 08:13:39 AM »
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2016, 06:35:46 PM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

Dominika, can you please delete my last post?

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2016, 06:03:09 AM »
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2016, 11:07:59 AM »
Probably the best Catholic Hymnal today is the Adoremus Hymnal.

I prefer this one ;)
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2016, 10:21:23 PM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

Dominika, can you please delete my last post?
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Seriously, does Mozart's Requiem play in any Latin mass, whether contemporary or traditional?
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« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2016, 02:05:00 PM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

Dominika, can you please delete my last post?
*Picture snipped*
Seriously, does Mozart's Requiem play in any Latin mass, whether contemporary or traditional?

I think yes, at least at some funerals of important people.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2016, 07:59:04 AM »
Reminds me of the irritation I felt upon hearing the opening song at the Mass for my daughter's confirmation: One Love, by Bob Marley.  >:(

My fellow friends didn't understand why I was upset about it.  Clearly they don't understand the importance and solemnity of Mass.  At least, how it should be.  They are products of modernism.

This Sunday, I will be attending an Orthodox Liturgy (moving towards converting).  At least my ears won't be assaulted with pop music during a reverent occasion.

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« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2016, 11:55:10 AM »
Oh shoot! Wrong video! Sorry. LOL

Mozart's Requiem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII

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*Picture snipped*
Seriously, does Mozart's Requiem play in any Latin mass, whether contemporary or traditional?

Well, for the All Souls Day mass at National Cathedral they used the Durufle requiem. Oh wait-- they're Episcopalians, so no problems with having good music. :P

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2016, 09:57:40 PM »
Well, for the All Souls Day mass at National Cathedral they used the Durufle requiem. Oh wait-- they're Episcopalians, so no problems with having good music. :P

Funny, and not entirely untrue either. 
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/Themes/default/images/bbc/unformat.gif
Thankfully, I go to an Ordinariate Parish so I get great music all the time.  It definitely was not that way at previous parishes.

Of course, traditional Roman Catholics have beautiful music as well.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjNevd2gXs  The linked is from the Benedictine Congregation of Solesmes, which has my favorite take on Gregorian Chant. 

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2016, 04:05:23 PM »
Well, for the All Souls Day mass at National Cathedral they used the Durufle requiem. Oh wait-- they're Episcopalians, so no problems with having good music. :P

Funny, and not entirely untrue either. 
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/Themes/default/images/bbc/unformat.gif
Thankfully, I go to an Ordinariate Parish so I get great music all the time.

ex-Episcopalians? Cheating.

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« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2016, 10:25:19 PM »
Well, for the All Souls Day mass at National Cathedral they used the Durufle requiem. Oh wait-- they're Episcopalians, so no problems with having good music. :P

Funny, and not entirely untrue either. 
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/Themes/default/images/bbc/unformat.gif
Thankfully, I go to an Ordinariate Parish so I get great music all the time.

ex-Episcopalians? Cheating.

I think you mean "winning".  And they have been Catholic for over 30 years now.  The irony is that one of the few places in the Archdiocese where one does not find the Cramner table is in the parish which founded the Anglican Use in the Catholic Church.    ;D

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2017, 06:04:27 PM »
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2017, 07:04:20 PM »
Polish Roman Catholic hymn Krzyżu Chrystusa (Oh Cross of Christ) in various settings:
By national choir "Mazowsze"

By a choir from Kalisz

In Belarussian


Polish Roman Catholic hymn Krzyżu Święty (Oh Holy Cross) that's based on Latin hymn Pange, lingua gloriosi proelum certaminis
Contemporary chant

Old chant

In Belarussian

And the hymn above in Spanish
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2017, 01:40:37 PM »
There is one hymn called "Gather Us In" that is popular for the Processional. One line in it says "give us the courage to enter the song" -- how smart to pray for courage to belt out this drivel.

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #76 on: May 04, 2017, 12:05:30 PM »
Gather Us In (Latin)

Somehow I don't think this is what traditional RCs mean when they say "Bring back the Latin!" :D

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #78 on: August 21, 2017, 08:31:12 PM »
Honestly, I have the fondest memories of some Catholic hymns, like "Gentle Woman," "Stabat Mater," and "Though the Mountains May Fall."

Although I do have a preference for the Latin high mass if we are talking Roman Catholic liturgy, I still have a fondness for these Novus Ordo songs which can be moving in English.

However, out of all the Roman hymns which I have heard throughout my whole life  - my personal favorite is still the Gregorian Kyrie Eleison in Roman Catholic liturgy.

Here is one rendition of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXWqvgQPDrw
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #79 on: August 22, 2017, 11:20:44 AM »
I think the chants at the Requiem Mass and the Office of the Dead are my favorites in the Gregorian repertoire. My favorite of all is the antiphon Ego Sum Resurrectio et Vita ("I am the Resurrection and Life"), sung with the Canticle of Zechariah at Lauds of the Dead and by the priest at the graveside.

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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #80 on: August 22, 2017, 01:03:03 PM »
I think the chants at the Requiem Mass and the Office of the Dead are my favorites in the Gregorian repertoire. My favorite of all is the antiphon Ego Sum Resurrectio et Vita ("I am the Resurrection and Life"), sung with the Canticle of Zechariah at Lauds of the Dead and by the priest at the graveside.

Oh, I wasn't aware it's orignally Gregorian chant! I hear it every year in Polish at the ecumenical (Orthodox and Roman Catholic) procession on the cemetery belonging to my parish. In Polish (however, I hear it chanted by better cantors) sounds it in such way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRyQjL3z2kc

Your link doesn't work for me, but I've found this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvOidZcaGh0
Paschal alleluia with the hymn we're talking about. What a coincidence - today is the 1st anniversary of the funeral of fr. Zbigniew that I liked so much but I couldn't be because of the interview with the Antiochian patriarch.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2017, 11:27:44 PM »
See #4 of the Five Ways to Ruin the Mass, which can be summarized in two words: We Gather.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2017, 07:38:05 PM »
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #84 on: September 25, 2017, 09:26:29 PM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

We have all of it in the Western Rite.

I wish the Western Rites would make more use of O Gladsome Light and integrate Ho Monoges into the liturgy, perhaps after the Credo, as a bulwark against Christological error.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2017, 11:45:14 PM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

We have all of it in the Western Rite.

I wish the Western Rites would make more use of O Gladsome Light and integrate Ho Monoges into the liturgy, perhaps after the Credo, as a bulwark against Christological error.

It's probably better overall for the Western Rites to maintain their integrity and minimize Byzantinizations. Dropping references to the Filioque is one thing, but altering the structure of the Western services seems unnecessary.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #86 on: September 26, 2017, 10:04:42 AM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

We have all of it in the Western Rite.

I wish the Western Rites would make more use of O Gladsome Light and integrate Ho Monoges into the liturgy, perhaps after the Credo, as a bulwark against Christological error.

It's probably better overall for the Western Rites to maintain their integrity and minimize Byzantinizations. Dropping references to the Filioque is one thing, but altering the structure of the Western services seems unnecessary.
+1

Except some tropariosn that have been used in the West, like of the Nativity of the Theotokos or Pascha.
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #87 on: September 26, 2017, 10:22:03 AM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

I can list a couple:

Te Deum
Salve Regina
Caedmon's hymn
Tota pulchra es
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Re: Catholic Church Music
« Reply #88 on: September 26, 2017, 11:20:44 PM »
Here is a question for the Orthodox posters:

If you could take one hymn or chant from the treasury of Latin Catholic sacred music and use it in the Divine Liturgy at your church ... which one would it be?

We have all of it in the Western Rite.

I wish the Western Rites would make more use of O Gladsome Light and integrate Ho Monoges into the liturgy, perhaps after the Credo, as a bulwark against Christological error.

It's probably better overall for the Western Rites to maintain their integrity and minimize Byzantinizations. Dropping references to the Filioque is one thing, but altering the structure of the Western services seems unnecessary.
+1

Except some tropariosn that have been used in the West, like of the Nativity of the Theotokos or Pascha.

Yes, but most of those were taken into the Western rites in the first millennium – I figure they're pretty "naturalized" by now!
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