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Offline Marc Hanna

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Armenian Liturgy
« on: November 30, 2008, 01:16:33 AM »
Quick question.  Is the Armenian liturgy attributed to having been written by any particular saint?  And if so, whom?

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Re: Armenian Liturgy
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 01:21:03 AM »
I've been told it's mostly attributed to St. John Chrysostom, with some of St. Basil's liturgy mixed in.  It also has things added to it from the Catholic liturgy, borrowed during the Crusades.  This has been discussed somewhat in threads in the OO forum.

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Re: Armenian Liturgy
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Re: Armenian Liturgy
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 01:30:15 AM »
Thanks.  And thanks for the link.  :)

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Re: Armenian Liturgy
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2008, 07:08:23 AM »
I've been told it's mostly attributed to St. John Chrysostom, with some of St. Basil's liturgy mixed in.  It also has things added to it from the Catholic liturgy, borrowed during the Crusades.  This has been discussed somewhat in threads in the OO forum.

Given the substantial borrowing from the Byzantine and Latin traditions, to what extent is it possible to know what the "pure" Armenian liturgical tradition would have looked like? The blurb for Abraham Terian's book mentions East Syrian influences.

Would the Armenian rite traditionally have looked more like that of the Assyrian Church of the East?

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Re: Armenian Liturgy
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2008, 11:00:19 PM »
I think the Assyrians use the liturgy of Mar Addai and Mar Mari, which is very ancient.  I don't think the Armenians ever used that one. 

Being "next door" to the Syriac peoples, though, the Armenians did in ancient times develop some of the same customs and local traditions.  For example, the unusual shape of our altars is similar to that of the Syriac Orthodox and I think Assyrian altars.  Why our altars are shaped like that is lost in the mists of time, as the shape is very ancient.  However, I've only noticed it among the Armenian, Syriac, Assyrian and Indian Churches.  Also, Armenian and Syriac Christians don't have iconostases, and, although we have icons, we tend to use less of them than the Copts or EO's.  Assyrians don't use them at all.

The article by Terian is about a fourth century correspondence between the son of St. Gregory the Illuminator and the patriarch of Jerusalem at that time.  The correspondence is important to scholars, I think because it documents the fact that the Armenians looked to Jerusalem for guidance in a lot of matters.  Evidently there are things, such as our calendar, lectionary and rites, which preserve aspects of the Jerusalem rite which would otherwise be lost.  Some scholars will study the Armenian calendar, etc. to know what the Jerusalem calendar was like way back when.  At least that is how I understand it:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,16853.0.html