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Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« on: November 25, 2008, 10:48:20 PM »
With the return of ROCOR to the larger Orthodox Church, through its reunion with Moscow, is there any movement to make ammends with the various Greek Old Calendrist churches which are not in communion with the larger Orthodox Church? Is this not the time to have HOCNA and others to be accepted into the larger Orthodox Communion? Could not these groups exert a positive influence on the rest of us (and thus on them)?

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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 11:01:03 PM »
With the return of ROCOR to the larger Orthodox Church, through its reunion with Moscow, is there any movement to make amends with the various Greek Old Calendarist churches which are not in communion with the larger Orthodox Church? Is this not the time to have HOCNA and others to be accepted into the larger Orthodox Communion? Could not these groups exert a positive influence on the rest of us (and thus on them)?

Do they really want to rejoin without the Revised Julian Calendar being wholly abolished?

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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 11:12:15 PM »
Thats a good question. I have had emails from some saying that as long as ROCOR "stood its ground" that it gave legitimacy to the various "old calendrist" groups. Now, with ROCOR in the "mainstream fold" my HOCNA friends feel it is time to put old debates behind and join the rest of Orthodoxy. His issue was the calender (which he wishes to keep) but more importantly ecumenism. With "liberal" churches like the Antiochian archdiocese withdrawing from the NCC and most liberal protestant churches (the main supporters of the WCC) gone completely cuckoo, the issue of ecumenism has become a red herring.

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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 11:38:00 PM »
Thats a good question. I have had emails from some saying that as long as ROCOR "stood its ground" that it gave legitimacy to the various "old calendrist" groups. Now, with ROCOR in the "mainstream fold" my HOCNA friends feel it is time to put old debates behind and join the rest of Orthodoxy. His issue was the calender (which he wishes to keep) but more importantly ecumenism. With "liberal" churches like the Antiochian archdiocese withdrawing from the NCC and most liberal protestant churches (the main supporters of the WCC) gone completely cuckoo, the issue of ecumenism has become a red herring.

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So because ROCOR gave in, that makes him want to too? I don't understand that.

Ecumenism is not a red herring. Things continue to get worse, not better. Nothing has changed.
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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 12:59:39 AM »
Most Greek Old Calendarists, and a small remnant of pre-'07 ROCOR, in Russia, think we're all heretics (without grace, in any event).  Their justification for separation is probably enhanced, in their minds, by ROCOR's reconciliation with the Moscow Patriarchate.
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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 02:02:46 AM »
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is there any movement to make ammends with the various Greek Old Calendrist churches which are not in communion with the larger Orthodox Church?

Not that I'm aware of. Generally when I see comments about them from those in world Orthodoxy, it's derogatory.

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Is this not the time to have HOCNA and others to be accepted into the larger Orthodox Communion? Could not these groups exert a positive influence on the rest of us (and thus on them)?

Most old calendarists probably see the move by ROCOR as apostasy, unfortunately. I don't foresee them wanting to join world Orthodoxy now, your friend being an exception. I think the old calendarists already exert some positive influence, in speaking against false ecumenism, but I'm not sure how much more influence they'd have if they were to rejoin world Orthodoxy.

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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 03:08:53 AM »
Thats a good question. I have had emails from some saying that as long as ROCOR "stood its ground" that it gave legitimacy to the various "old calendrist" groups. Now, with ROCOR in the "mainstream fold" my HOCNA friends feel it is time to put old debates behind and join the rest of Orthodoxy. His issue was the calender (which he wishes to keep) but more importantly ecumenism. With "liberal" churches like the Antiochian archdiocese withdrawing from the NCC and most liberal protestant churches (the main supporters of the WCC) gone completely cuckoo, the issue of ecumenism has become a red herring.

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I find it very hard to believe that anyone from the HOCNA is reevaluating their stance based on ROCOR's position. If anything, in their minds this "reunion" has given more weight to their previous position that ROCOR had gone the way of apostasy. I think they're nuts and fell away from ROCOR because of their Hegumen's sexual orientation, but maybe that's just me.
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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2008, 12:10:26 AM »
Sad to see, from the posts, that there is no greater movement to reunite Orthodoxy.



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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2008, 06:50:30 PM »
Unfortunately there have been divisions since the beginning, even in the New Testament times, so apparently it's something that doesn't thwart God's plans, as bad as it can seem sometimes.

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Re: Greek Old Calendrists, ROCOR and World Orthodoxy
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 07:50:54 PM »
Sad to see, from the posts, that there is no greater movement to reunite Orthodoxy.
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