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« on: November 24, 2008, 01:30:00 AM »

Glory to Jesus Christ, our Eternal King

I have followed the President-elect's relationship to the church and his self-professed Christian faith fairly closely.  Saying nothing of his former pastor's point of view myself, I certainly noticed Mr. Obama's rather quick exit from his church home and pastoral relationship of many years.  Since then, other than isolated speaking engagements, he has stayed away from church.  An article released today entitled Obama skips church, heads to gym confirms this observation.

It seems to me that it would be our duty to formally invite the president to attend services and inquire about the ancient faith.  Seeing that he is unchurched, even in his own mind, it presents us with an opportunity to do this.  I also think that there are many unique aspects of the Orthodox Church and her history that will appeal to Mr. Obama (not to mention Mrs. Obama).

I ask that if you agree with this sentiment, that you speak to your priest/bishop and encourage them to offer a formal invitation to the president-elect.  Perhaps a single invitation signed by SCOBA bishops or SCOOCH would be a good idea?  I really don't know myself.  This has been something I've thought and prayed about for a few months now so I decided this forum is as good as place as any to put it out there.

Second, I ask that everyone joins and prays that Barack Obama will surround himself with good counsel to help him deal with the many problems our country and world face when he takes office 1/20/09.

Thanks in Christ
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 10:25:31 AM »

This topic was transfered from the Convert Issues Forum.

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 10:58:13 AM »

Sounds like a good idea to me! I would love to see President elect Obama become an Orthodox Christian!
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 11:57:06 AM »

Well sure it sounds like a good idea.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 12:35:21 PM »

It sounds like a possible idea Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 02:07:30 PM »

Pray, yes, and don't expect it to happen.   Huh
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 02:14:19 PM »

Pray, yes, and don't expect it to happen.   Huh

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 02:19:17 PM »

Just remember that it is punishable by death for Muslims to apostasize! Wink

Oh, did I just say that?  Mea culpa!
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 02:25:32 PM »

Just remember that it is punishable by death for Muslims to apostasize! Wink

Oh, did I just say that?  Mea culpa!

But do those rules apply to those who are only "secretly" Muslim?
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 03:17:09 PM »

Just remember that it is punishable by death for Muslims to apostasize!

Apostasize?  That sounds like something you would do at a McDonald's drive-through.

Seriously though, I am interested to know what punishments, if any, Orthodox canons have prescribed for those who apostatize from the Christian faith.  Does anybody have any pertinent information?
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 03:25:31 PM »

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Those who apostatised freely--that is, without the compulsion of fear--are to do twelve years' penance before being admitted to Holy Communion. If, before the penance is completed, they fall sick and are in danger of death they may receive Holy Viaticum.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 08:48:40 PM »

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Holy Viaticum??
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2008, 09:21:49 PM »


Apostasize?  That sounds like something you would do at a McDonald's drive-through.

Yeah, I'll take a Big Mac, a large fries, a large diet coke and could you apostasize that?  Thanks.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2008, 09:25:14 PM »


Apostasize?  That sounds like something you would do at a McDonald's drive-through.

Yeah, I'll take a Big Mac, a large fries, a large diet coke and could you apostasize that?  Thanks.

Of course that comes with the patented Arius key ring
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2008, 09:33:53 PM »

Yeah, I'll take a Big Mac, a large fries, a large diet coke and could you apostasize that?  Thanks.

No problem, sir.  Your total is $6.66.  Please pull around to the first window.

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2008, 09:51:43 PM »

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Those who apostatised freely--that is, without the compulsion of fear--are to do twelve years' penance before being admitted to Holy Communion. If, before the penance is completed, they fall sick and are in danger of death they may receive Holy Viaticum.
- one ofe 1st Nicea's statements

Holy Viaticum??

With (cum) you (ti) on the journey (via).  Death bed communion of the sick.

Welcome home, Barack.  Come aboard.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2008, 03:05:29 PM »

Holy Viaticum??
The last Holy Communion, i propably took this from RC site
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2008, 03:18:17 PM »

Glory to Jesus Christ, our Eternal King

I have followed the President-elect's relationship to the church and his self-professed Christian faith fairly closely.  Saying nothing of his former pastor's point of view myself, I certainly noticed Mr. Obama's rather quick exit from his church home and pastoral relationship of many years.  Since then, other than isolated speaking engagements, he has stayed away from church.  An article released today entitled Obama skips church, heads to gym confirms this observation.

It seems to me that it would be our duty to formally invite the president to attend services and inquire about the ancient faith.  Seeing that he is unchurched, even in his own mind, it presents us with an opportunity to do this.  I also think that there are many unique aspects of the Orthodox Church and her history that will appeal to Mr. Obama (not to mention Mrs. Obama).

I ask that if you agree with this sentiment, that you speak to your priest/bishop and encourage them to offer a formal invitation to the president-elect.  Perhaps a single invitation signed by SCOBA bishops or SCOOCH would be a good idea?  I really don't know myself.  This has been something I've thought and prayed about for a few months now so I decided this forum is as good as place as any to put it out there.

Second, I ask that everyone joins and prays that Barack Obama will surround himself with good counsel to help him deal with the many problems our country and world face when he takes office 1/20/09.

Thanks in Christ

That is a fun thing to day dream about especially since my parish is in the DC area.

Unfortunately, he has to worry about things other than his own personal salvation such as how it would look for Russian USA relations, The abortion issue, belonging to a  white congregation (though St. John the Baptist Cathedral in DC has a black Priest who officiates at the English Service), Relations with the RCC ( who would do back flips)..............on and on.

The best case for such a leader is the example of Prince Charles who certainly cant convert but who may have secretly taken up the Orthodox faith by all accounts.
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