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« on: November 12, 2008, 08:03:14 PM »

You better watch out. There is a new combatant in the Christmas wars.

Ads proclaiming, "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness' sake," will appear on Washington, D.C., buses starting next week and running through December. The American Humanist Association unveiled the provocative $40,000 holiday ad campaign Tuesday.

In lifting lyrics from "Santa Claus is Coming to Town," the Washington-based group is wading into what has become a perennial debate over commercialism, religion in the public square and the meaning of Christmas...

For the rest of the article go to: 'Why Believe in a God?' Ad Campaign Launches on D.C. Buses
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 08:45:42 PM »

"Why Believe in a Humanist?"

Now if I had $40,000....
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 08:53:30 PM »

"Why Believe in a Humanist?"

Now if I had $40,000....
In Hyde Park of Obama fame, I once saw a bumper sticker "I'm a fool for Christ.  Whose fool are you?"  Hyde Park has an array of answers to that question.  We are all individuals.  LOL.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 09:02:18 PM »

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on all sinners.
Father, forgive the secular humanists for they know not what they are doing.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 12:46:16 PM »

With the untold millions religious organizations have wasted to brainwash and deceive the masses, how is it even notable that a mere 40k is spent to advocate rational thought?

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Have Mercy on all sinners.
Father, forgive the secular humanists for they know not what they are doing.
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We don't want your pity or your forgiveness.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 12:53:43 PM »

We don't want your pity or your forgiveness.

I respect that. But you never know. One day you might.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 01:22:25 PM »

With the untold millions religious organizations have wasted to brainwash and deceive the masses, how is it even notable that a mere 40k is spent to advocate rational thought?
What 40k is being spent to advocate rational thought?  The attempt is just to promote unfounded dogma.  A nice reply might be Dostoyevski's "without God, all things are possible" with a montage of photos of the result.  Stalin and Hitler give us a lot of material to work with here.

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 02:17:07 PM »

We don't want your pity or your forgiveness.

That's the perfect slogan for the "Why Believe in a Humanist" Campaign.  Now all that's needed is a picture or a montage of pictures describing situations where pity and/or forgiveness is not necessary.  Hmmm....   Huh
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 02:22:02 PM »

What 40k is being spent to advocate rational thought?  The attempt is just to promote unfounded dogma.  A nice reply might be Dostoyevski's "without God, all things are possible" with a montage of photos of the result.  Stalin and Hitler give us a lot of material to work with here.

If the rest of us are required to put up with the hate speech that is proclaimed in your Churches on a weekly basis, deal with the effects of psychological absue inflicted on children by forcing them into their parents' religion, and hear you assault liberty, the most fundamental ideal of this republic, in the name of barbaric religious laws, then you can at least put up with our opinion that such speech and the related beliefs are dangerous and distasteful. We don't all share your belief that Saudi Arabia is a utopian society.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 02:32:46 PM »

^ Nomination for the most ridiculous post of the month.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 02:46:03 PM »

What 40k is being spent to advocate rational thought?  The attempt is just to promote unfounded dogma.  A nice reply might be Dostoyevski's "without God, all things are possible" with a montage of photos of the result.  Stalin and Hitler give us a lot of material to work with here.

If the rest of us are required to put up with the hate speech that is proclaimed in your Churches on a weekly basis, deal with the effects of psychological absue inflicted on children by forcing them into their parents' religion, and hear you assault liberty, the most fundamental ideal of this republic, in the name of barbaric religious laws, then you can at least put up with our opinion that such speech and the related beliefs are dangerous and distasteful. We don't all share your belief that Saudi Arabia is a utopian society.
Well go to Saudi Arabia and exercise your freedom of speech an enlighten them too.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2008, 02:49:33 PM »

If the rest of us are required to put up with the hate speech that is proclaimed in your Churches on a weekly basis, deal with the effects of psychological absue inflicted on children by forcing them into their parents' religion, and hear you assault liberty, the most fundamental ideal of this republic, in the name of barbaric religious laws, then you can at least put up with our opinion that such speech and the related beliefs are dangerous and distasteful. We don't all share your belief that Saudi Arabia is a utopian society.

Oh wow.  I just choked on my Mountain Dew as I tried to both laugh at the absurdity represented in the post above and swallow at the same time. 

I think I'll have to second papists nomination on this post.  Or perhaps nominate this as the most ridiculous post of the month. 

GIC,

If the Christian viewpoint is so intensely offensive to you ... why do you frequent a Christian message board?  I tend to avoid places that offend me, why would you seek one out?  It is, as my fellow Southerners would say, "a head scratcher."
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 03:21:40 PM »

Sometimes people lash out because of their insecurities and no harm is intended. All you have to do is say I love you GIC and all will be well again.  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 03:37:39 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 03:43:32 PM »

What 40k is being spent to advocate rational thought?  The attempt is just to promote unfounded dogma.  A nice reply might be Dostoyevski's "without God, all things are possible" with a montage of photos of the result.  Stalin and Hitler give us a lot of material to work with here.

If the rest of us are required to put up with the hate speech that is proclaimed in your Churches on a weekly basis, deal with the effects of psychological absue inflicted on children by forcing them into their parents' religion, and hear you assault liberty, the most fundamental ideal of this republic, in the name of barbaric religious laws, then you can at least put up with our opinion that such speech and the related beliefs are dangerous and distasteful. We don't all share your belief that Saudi Arabia is a utopian society.
Well if you reject this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Andrej_Rubl%C3%ABv_001.jpg
you can end up with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Ppshsymbol1981.png
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Saudi_arabia_flag_large.png

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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2008, 03:50:21 PM »

I think I'll have to second papists nomination on this post.  Or perhaps nominate this as the most ridiculous post of the month. 

Just realized my typographical error.  The last word should be "year" instead of "month."  That's what I get for not paying more attention to my typing.  LOL
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2008, 04:33:41 PM »

It has my vote for most ridiculous post of the decade.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2008, 04:51:43 PM »

If the Christian viewpoint is so intensely offensive to you ... why do you frequent a Christian message board?  I tend to avoid places that offend me, why would you seek one out?  It is, as my fellow Southerners would say, "a head scratcher."

Eh...perhaps I'm just a masochist, which would also explain why I was involved in religion for as long as I was. I don't generally mind being offended and I can put up with people saying whatever to me, but when people start teaching this stuff to children and start trying to use it to influence our laws...then it becomes imperative to take action to stop them.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2008, 04:55:38 PM »

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"start trying"... you say it like it's a new thing. We've been basing laws on the Christian religion for quite a while now Wink
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2008, 04:56:47 PM »

Since man is a worshipping animal, either you will worship the Living God, or you will worship a dead idol.  But you will worship somethng.

Man is a pattern recognizing animal...religion was the first (and worst) attempt for man to answer questions about his surroundings that were not immediately obvious. We don't need to worship anything, slavery is not necessary for the human condition. We can now work on advancing the human race by replacing superstition and religion with reason and science.
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2008, 04:57:18 PM »

If the Christian viewpoint is so intensely offensive to you ... why do you frequent a Christian message board?  I tend to avoid places that offend me, why would you seek one out?  It is, as my fellow Southerners would say, "a head scratcher."

Eh...perhaps I'm just a masochist, which would also explain why I was involved in religion for as long as I was. I don't generally mind being offended and I can put up with people saying whatever to me, but when people start teaching this stuff to children and start trying to use it to influence our laws...then it becomes imperative to take action to stop them.

Like say....secular humanism??
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"start trying"... you say it like it's a new thing. We've been basing laws on the Christian religion for quite a while now Wink

Actually, most of our laws have been based on Roman and Norse society and customs...Christian influence has been relatively minimal considering the religion's pervasiveness in society.
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Exactly. When my wife and I were atheists, we bought a book called Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion. Wanna guess what the book is about? Wink
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2008, 05:04:38 PM »

It has my vote for most ridiculous post of the decade.

Well, I'm glad to see I struck a chord. Maybe it'll get some people to think.
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It has my vote for most ridiculous post of the decade.

Well, I'm glad to see I struck a chord. Maybe it'll get some people to think.


I'm sure it got people thinking.  Though I'm betting that what they're thinking isn't what you'd prefer them to be thinking.
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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2008, 05:16:58 PM »

When I say the title of the thread I knew that GiC would be on here.

GiC; you could campaign to start those ads in your area is you wanted to. If the idea of a God is so offensive, maybe you could come up with a more inflammatory byline to use as well. If it is wrong to believe in God, it is your responsibiility to do ads like this one isn't it?

I look forward to photos of the $40,000 ads you place on buses in your locale.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2008, 05:26:45 PM »

I'm sure it got people thinking.  Though I'm betting that what they're thinking isn't what you'd prefer them to be thinking.

I have no preference about what people think...I would't dream to dictate what one should think or believe, only the manner in which they act. Maybe a few here will realize that they need to become more moderate in their religious positions if they want survive in a secular culture. Maybe they won't but will take a hardline position, which is fine as well, it gives our side a rallying cry...which we desperately need...trying to organize humanists/deists/agnostics/atheists is like trying to herd cats. Which is good at one level...we want to become a post-theist society where people don't even think about religion and don't spend any time thinking about it, either in support or opposition, a society where religion is something studied in history class. But at the same time, when people are trying to inflict their beliefs on the rest of us, it behooves organize for the purpose of resistance.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2008, 05:31:29 PM »

If the Christian viewpoint is so intensely offensive to you ... why do you frequent a Christian message board?  I tend to avoid places that offend me, why would you seek one out?  It is, as my fellow Southerners would say, "a head scratcher."

Eh...perhaps I'm just a masochist, which would also explain why I was involved in religion for as long as I was. I don't generally mind being offended and I can put up with people saying whatever to me, but when people start teaching this stuff to children and start trying to use it to influence our laws...then it becomes imperative to take action to stop them.
Funny. I have a problem with atheists teaching their shallow and barbaric view of the universe to Children and then trying to force that which is actually substantial, i.e. traditional religion, out of the public square.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2008, 05:32:56 PM »

Since man is a worshipping animal, either you will worship the Living God, or you will worship a dead idol.  But you will worship somethng.

Man is a pattern recognizing animal...religion was the first (and worst) attempt for man to answer questions about his surroundings that were not immediately obvious. We don't need to worship anything, slavery is not necessary for the human condition. We can now work on advancing the human race by replacing superstition and religion with reason and science.
If its reason you are talking about, then I think we would become more religious, as its unreasonable to think that man is not a creature that is religious by nature. Its ignores all of the data of human history.
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It has my vote for most ridiculous post of the decade.

Well, I'm glad to see I struck a chord. Maybe it'll get some people to think.

Goodness, we were hoping you would do the same.  Wink
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2008, 05:34:27 PM »

When I say the title of the thread I knew that GiC would be on here.

GiC; you could campaign to start those ads in your area is you wanted to. If the idea of a God is so offensive, maybe you could come up with a more inflammatory byline to use as well. If it is wrong to believe in God, it is your responsibiility to do ads like this one isn't it?

I look forward to photos of the $40,000 ads you place on buses in your locale.
I'm not sure an atheist can believe in a concept of "right" and "wrong" that is anything more than a social construct.
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2008, 05:40:50 PM »

If the Christian viewpoint is so intensely offensive to you ... why do you frequent a Christian message board?  I tend to avoid places that offend me, why would you seek one out?  It is, as my fellow Southerners would say, "a head scratcher."

Eh...perhaps I'm just a masochist, which would also explain why I was involved in religion for as long as I was. I don't generally mind being offended and I can put up with people saying whatever to me, but when people start teaching this stuff to children and start trying to use it to influence our laws...then it becomes imperative to take action to stop them.

You mean stuff like "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." Yeah we gotta stop that in its tracks.

In "The Diary of Anna Frank" there's a line "how is it that those who do not have children have the most dogmatic views about them?"

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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2008, 05:48:22 PM »

If the rest of us are required to put up with the hate speech that is proclaimed in your Churches on a weekly basis, deal with the effects of psychological absue inflicted on children by forcing them into their parents' religion, and hear you assault liberty, the most fundamental ideal of this republic, in the name of barbaric religious laws, then you can at least put up with our opinion that such speech and the related beliefs are dangerous and distasteful. We don't all share your belief that Saudi Arabia is a utopian society.

Oh, brother.

<sarcasm>Guess I need to make this post short if I'm gonna be able to get in my kidnapping on time...you know...the nightly ritual wherein I round up secular humanists, tie them to chairs, and, taping their eyelids open, force them to watch Praise the Lord/Trinity Broadcasting Network until they confess Christ.  'Cause y'know...they are required to put up with me...they certainly can't choose not to listen...

...nor is there ever a case of children choosing to leave the religion of their upbringing (I know I sure didn't).

Sure am glad I'm glad I'm not a libertarian or anything, nor believe in the separation of church and state.  Boy, wouldn't that be something.</sarcasm>

Kindly get over yourself.  If you don't like us, tune us out.  I certainly do you...except in cases like this where you're so obviously over the top (even for you).
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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2008, 06:02:15 PM »

What 40k is being spent to advocate rational thought?  The attempt is just to promote unfounded dogma.  A nice reply might be Dostoyevski's "without God, all things are possible" with a montage of photos of the result.  Stalin and Hitler give us a lot of material to work with here.

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Which faith are you talking about because all that you have mentioned is very foreign to what is preached in my Church? Huh

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Which faith are you talking about because all that you have mentioned is very foreign to what is preached in my Church? Huh

God bless you GIC  Wink

Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Perhaps this is all true, perhaps you attend a more enlightened and tolerant Church than most here...there certainly are Churches out there that would not allow any of that hate speech to be proclaimed from their pulpit. I just didn't know that any members of such Churches frequented this board.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2008, 06:23:50 PM »

Greeki is here because he wants to evangelize, but he has We have no good news.

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Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Oh how Barbaric! Obviously anyone who thinks a fetus is a human being is fascist Nazi forcing their beliefs on other people! Believing abortion is murder is just flat out hate speech.

And how are you doing any different? Claiming atheism is the only true belief, all other religions are wrong, believing homosexuality is a sin is a sin, claiming religion is a superstition that only belongs in history books, and that claiming religion is Barbaric.
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Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Perhaps this is all true, perhaps you attend a more enlightened and tolerant Church than most here...there certainly are Churches out there that would not allow any of that hate speech to be proclaimed from their pulpit. I just didn't know that any members of such Churches frequented this board.

The Orthodox church doesn't fall short, but some of it's people occasionally do though.
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Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Oh how Barbaric! Obviously anyone who thinks a fetus is a human being is fascist Nazi forcing their beliefs on other people! Believing abortion is murder is just flat out hate speech.

And how are you doing any different? Claiming atheism is the only true belief, all other religions are wrong, believing homosexuality is a sin is a sin, claiming religion is a superstition that only belongs in history books, and that claiming religion is Barbaric.

And if gays are oppressed, what about those poor polygamists who get sent to prison for having multiple wives? Shouldn't people have the right to have as many wives or husbands as they want? Shouldn't polygamist marriages be recognized by the U.S. government?


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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2008, 12:00:21 AM »

I just didn't know that any members of such Churches frequented this board.
They do. Their voices just get drowned out.
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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2008, 12:22:24 AM »

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Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Oh how Barbaric! Obviously anyone who thinks a fetus is a human being is fascist Nazi forcing their beliefs on other people! Believing abortion is murder is just flat out hate speech.

And how are you doing any different? Claiming atheism is the only true belief, all other religions are wrong, believing homosexuality is a sin is a sin, claiming religion is a superstition that only belongs in history books, and that claiming religion is Barbaric.

And if gays are oppressed, what about those poor polygamists who get sent to prison for having multiple wives? Shouldn't people have the right to have as many wives or husbands as they want? Shouldn't polygamist marriages be recognized by the U.S. government?


(that's enough rhetorical questions for one day)
Not rhetorical at all.  The camel's nose is already under the tent, and so too another wonderful Muslim institution: temporary marriage.  It's not recognized, yet, but has entered American jurisprudence (immigration law).  And its not rhetorical because, having filled out all the paper work for my EX and her parents, polygamy is one of those things you can't do and enter the US.
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2008, 12:23:31 AM »

Which faith are you talking about because all that you have mentioned is very foreign to what is preached in my Church? Huh

God bless you GIC  Wink

Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Perhaps this is all true, perhaps you attend a more enlightened and tolerant Church than most here...there certainly are Churches out there that would not allow any of that hate speech to be proclaimed from their pulpit. I just didn't know that any members of such Churches frequented this board.
They do. Their voices just get drowned out.

Posted elswhere.
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Not rhetorical at all.  The camel's nose is already under the tent, and so too another wonderful Muslim institution: temporary marriage.  It's not recognized, yet, but has entered American jurisprudence (immigration law).  And its not rhetorical because, having filled out all the paper work for my EX and her parents, polygamy is one of those things you can't do and enter the US.

I'm a little confused. I might want to add that I wasn't supporting polygamy, but wandering why there aren't "Polygamist Pride Parades" or why no one wants it legalized. It's a very similar issue to homosexuality, yet neither atheists or humanists support it as they do homosexuality. It fact, one may argue it's not just marriage discrimination, but religious discrimination as well. Either way, I've managed to digress this thread from a Christmas ad, to polygamy. Sorry for getting off topic.
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Which faith are you talking about because all that you have mentioned is very foreign to what is preached in my Church? Huh

God bless you GIC  Wink

Your Church doesn't preach hate speech? They don't preach that fornication and homosexuality are wrong? They don't preach that abortion is evil? They don't preach that theirs is the only true faith and only sure way to salvation? They don't preach that other beliefs that disagree with your dogmas are somehow less than yours?

Perhaps this is all true, perhaps you attend a more enlightened and tolerant Church than most here...there certainly are Churches out there that would not allow any of that hate speech to be proclaimed from their pulpit. I just didn't know that any members of such Churches frequented this board.



God Bless you GIC
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2008, 01:15:55 AM »

Really, is there any need for this?
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