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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2008, 08:45:35 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2008, 08:51:12 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

His grace was telling a story one time how someone remarked how well he looked for his age.  When he told him what his age really was, they took the compliment back.

He might be young, but he has earned his name.  I converted in the same parish he did, know a number of people from his tenure in New England, and I went to his cathedral in Chicago for a while.  I know he has been through a lot.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2008, 08:52:03 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.
Thanks for the correction.  I was under the impression that he was like 20 years older than you say.
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« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2008, 09:20:16 PM »
Many Years to Metropolitan JONAH!!  :)
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2008, 09:46:00 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

If I were in Met. JONAH's shoes I'd look for a replacement for his see right away and let JOB retire in peace.  Electing Abp. Job as metropolitan would have made sense, but he wants to retire very badly and that would have made him a bad choice.  The last thing the OCA needed was someone in the big chair who would have been dying to leave it. 
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2008, 09:50:42 PM »
Wow, a non-Slav and ex-Anglican heading the old Russian Metropolia.

Wonderful!

It seems that like the country they wanted change, big time.

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2008, 09:54:53 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

If I were in Met. JONAH's shoes I'd look for a replacement for his see right away and let JOB retire in peace.  Electing Abp. Job as metropolitan would have made sense, but he wants to retire very badly and that would have made him a bad choice.  The last thing the OCA needed was someone in the big chair who would have been dying to leave it. 

I would think that getting bishops to head the existing vacant see's, along with where he started (southeast) where the bishop is 23 YEARS OLDER would be a bigger priority. 

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2008, 10:03:31 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

If I were in Met. JONAH's shoes I'd look for a replacement for his see right away and let JOB retire in peace.  Electing Abp. Job as metropolitan would have made sense, but he wants to retire very badly and that would have made him a bad choice.  The last thing the OCA needed was someone in the big chair who would have been dying to leave it. 

I would think that getting bishops to head the existing vacant see's, along with where he started (southeast) where the bishop is 23 YEARS OLDER would be a bigger priority. 

Well yeeeah, that too... I'm just saying helping JOB retire is one of those things that I hope is on Metropolitan JONAH's "to do" list.  Abp. JOB is probably feeling a lot like a kid in school when it's five minutes to the dismissal bell.  I'm just saying it would be nice if he could be let out a little early.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2008, 10:30:16 PM »
These numbers were sent by an observer:

1st Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 1 name on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 212
Archbishop SERAPHIM - 33
Bishop BENJAMIN- 75
Bishop JONAH - 233

2nd Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 2 names on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 364
Bishop TIKHON - 75
Bishop BENJAMIN- 140
Bishop JONAH - 473

The decision was in the hands of the Holy Synod.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2008, 10:51:40 PM »
Ad Multos Annos !
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2008, 11:05:46 PM »
These numbers were sent by an observer:

1st Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 1 name on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 212
Archbishop SERAPHIM - 33
Bishop BENJAMIN- 75
Bishop JONAH - 233

2nd Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 2 names on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 364
Bishop TIKHON - 75
Bishop BENJAMIN- 140
Bishop JONAH - 473

The decision was in the hands of the Holy Synod.

Interesting that Bishop Tikhon appeared on the second ballot.  He's also a former Anglican, and converted at the same Church that Archbishop Job did.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2008, 11:39:35 PM »
These numbers were sent by an observer:

1st Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 1 name on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 212
Archbishop SERAPHIM - 33
Bishop BENJAMIN- 75
Bishop JONAH - 233

2nd Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 2 names on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 364
Bishop TIKHON - 75
Bishop BENJAMIN- 140
Bishop JONAH - 473

The decision was in the hands of the Holy Synod.

Thank you for the great info on distribution of votes, Fr. Vasyl.

Axios! Best wishes to Metropolitan Jonah!

Interesting that Bishop Tikhon appeared on the second ballot.  He's also a former Anglican, and converted at the same Church that Archbishop Job did.


Interesting! It would be very nice to visit that parish!

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2008, 12:35:58 AM »
I'm listening to Met. Jonah's address to the AAC yesterday re: the questions still surrounding the recent scandal.
Here's the url:  http://ancientfaith.com/specials/podup/oca15aac/bishop_jonah_addresses_questions

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The OCA is indeed being led by a worthy man now.
After listening to his address myself, I have to concur.  Eis polla eti, Despota!  Many years to Metropolitan-Elect Jonah!
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2008, 01:21:10 AM »
hooray! hooray! hooray!
This was a great day for the OCA. I was able to get away from work and be present for this historic event. What a wonderful experience!

Next up: a bishop for our dioceses (Pittsburgh). I think that takes place Saturday.

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2008, 01:29:22 AM »
AXIOS!
Eis polla eti despota!

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2008, 02:16:53 AM »
I'm surprised Abp. Seraphim was nominated since he had specifically withdrew from being considered.  Oh well.

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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2008, 09:31:37 AM »
After listening to his address myself, I have to concur.  Eis polla eti, Despota!  Many years to Metropolitan-Elect Jonah!

I agree. 

Here's a short video from yesterday's voting at the Post-Gazette in Pittsburgh:

http://www.post-gazette.com/multimedia/?videoid=101187

And an article from the same paper:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08318/927528-85.stm


Axios!

p.s. could someone please tell me what "Eis polla eti, Despota!"  means.  I can get the last word, but nothing else.  Thanks!


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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2008, 09:36:00 AM »

p.s. could someone please tell me what "Eis polla eti, Despota!"  means.  I can get the last word, but nothing else.  Thanks!


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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2008, 09:43:12 AM »
These numbers were sent by an observer:

1st Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 1 name on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 212
Archbishop SERAPHIM - 33
Bishop BENJAMIN- 75
Bishop JONAH - 233

2nd Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 2 names on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 364
Bishop TIKHON - 75
Bishop BENJAMIN- 140
Bishop JONAH - 473

The decision was in the hands of the Holy Synod.

Thank you for the great info on distribution of votes, Fr. Vasyl.

Axios! Best wishes to Metropolitan Jonah!

Interesting that Bishop Tikhon appeared on the second ballot.  He's also a former Anglican, and converted at the same Church that Archbishop Job did.


Interesting! It would be very nice to visit that parish!

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« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2008, 10:38:22 AM »
SS Peter and Paul (formerly of Chicago, now of Burr Ridge)
http://www.oca.org/DIRlisting.asp?SID=9&KEY=OCA-MW-CHISPP

The founder, Rev. Peter Semkoff of blessed memory, founded this as his fifth Church of former adherents to the Vatican (his Vatican appointed bishop in Austro-Hungaria told him to go to the Orthodox bishop "you don't have to be Katolik in America."  The parishoners were from what has become Annuciation Byzantine Catholic, the parish of Fr. Loya, a big figure at present, especially when it comes to the "theology of the body."

Isn't that the parish who just lost their priest, Fr. Stephen Karaffa (memory eternal!)?  He passed away while attending the AAC.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #65 on: November 13, 2008, 11:09:40 AM »
These numbers were sent by an observer:

1st Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 1 name on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 212
Archbishop SERAPHIM - 33
Bishop BENJAMIN- 75
Bishop JONAH - 233

2nd Round of Nominating by 'the people' (everybody writes 2 names on
ballot):
Archbishop JOB - 364
Bishop TIKHON - 75
Bishop BENJAMIN- 140
Bishop JONAH - 473

The decision was in the hands of the Holy Synod.


Wow, it looks like everyone is voting for change these days.  :D

I feel encouraged by the choice of Bishop JOHAH. Axios!
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« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2008, 11:47:46 AM »
AXIOS! AXIOS! AXIOS! Many years!

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« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2008, 12:05:54 PM »
AXIOS
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« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2008, 03:14:08 PM »
Sometimes the brightest sunrise occurs after the darkest of nights.
May Met. Jonah be blessed with many, many years and a fruitful ministry
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2008, 03:44:52 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

His grace was telling a story one time how someone remarked how well he looked for his age.  When he told him what his age really was, they took the compliment back.

He might be young, but he has earned his name.  I converted in the same parish he did, know a number of people from his tenure in New England, and I went to his cathedral in Chicago for a while.  I know he has been through a lot.

Archbishop Job is a convert? What was his original church and when did he convert?

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2008, 04:04:32 PM »
http://www.oca.org/news/1693

Besides the clergy, bishops and monsatics, what lay people get to cast a vote in the OCA Election of a Primate?

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« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2008, 04:29:13 PM »

p.s. could someone please tell me what "Eis polla eti, Despota!"  means.  I can get the last word, but nothing else.  Thanks!


"Many years, Master!"

Thank you!

http://www.oca.org/news/1693

Besides the clergy, bishops and monsatics, what lay people get to cast a vote in the OCA Election of a Primate?

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My understanding is that each parish has 2 delegates who can vote.  One is the parish priest and the other is a lay delegate.  Usually, the lay delegate is the parish President. 

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« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2008, 04:30:22 PM »
Sometimes the brightest sunrise occurs after the darkest of nights.
May Met. Jonah be blessed with many, many years and a fruitful ministry
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« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2008, 04:33:20 PM »
Archbishop Job is a convert? What was his original church and when did he convert?

The OCA link talks about this... he is a convert from Episcopal church in the late 70's, during his college years.

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« Reply #74 on: November 13, 2008, 04:47:59 PM »
My understanding is that each parish has 2 delegates who can vote.  One is the parish priest and the other is a lay delegate.  Usually, the lay delegate is the parish President. 

Apparently, the number of delegates accorded a parish depends on the number of priests that are assigned to that particular parish.  If your parish has one priest, you are allowed that priest as a delegate plus one lay delegate.  If your parish has two assigned priests, you are allowed those priests plus two lay delegates, etc.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #75 on: November 13, 2008, 05:01:46 PM »
My understanding is that each parish has 2 delegates who can vote.  One is the parish priest and the other is a lay delegate.  Usually, the lay delegate is the parish President. 

Apparently, the number of delegates accorded a parish depends on the number of priests that are assigned to that particular parish.  If your parish has one priest, you are allowed that priest as a delegate plus one lay delegate.  If your parish has two assigned priests, you are allowed those priests plus two lay delegates, etc.
And for the purposes of counting these parish representatives, Syosset doesn't consider deacons as clergy, so a parish can send its deacon as a lay delegate, which my parish did.
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« Reply #76 on: November 13, 2008, 05:27:18 PM »
Hearing our new Metropolitan speak, I am for the first time in a long time filled with true hope for the future of the OCA.  I know it won't be easy to right the ship, but I feel we now have a leader capable of guiding us as we attempt to do so.  AXIOS!

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« Reply #77 on: November 13, 2008, 05:28:24 PM »
And for the purposes of counting these parish representatives, Syosset doesn't consider deacons as clergy, so a parish can send its deacon as a lay delegate, which my parish did.

Right.
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« Reply #78 on: November 13, 2008, 06:44:39 PM »
Abp. Job is too young to retire - he's only 62!  He just needs to relax and get back into the swing of things....maybe take a few weeks off to visit a monastery or something.  I heard that he was actually physically sick recently about the tought of becoming Metropolitan.

His grace was telling a story one time how someone remarked how well he looked for his age.  When he told him what his age really was, they took the compliment back.

He might be young, but he has earned his name.  I converted in the same parish he did, know a number of people from his tenure in New England, and I went to his cathedral in Chicago for a while.  I know he has been through a lot.

Archbishop Job is a convert? What was his original church and when did he convert?
The Vatican's: his mother was Eastern rite, and I believe his father Latin.  His father disowned him when he converted.  When he used to visit, someone in the parish would contact his mother so they could meet.  His father was reconciled with him some time after he became bishop of Chicago, before his father's death.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2008, 12:02:06 AM »

The Vatican's: his mother was Eastern rite, and I believe his father Latin.  His father disowned him when he converted.  When he used to visit, someone in the parish would contact his mother so they could meet.  His father was reconciled with him some time after he became bishop of Chicago, before his father's death.

that's interesting because on the OCA website said he was baptized Episcopalian.  He also talked about having grown up an Episcopalian in his speech on the "Vision for the Future" I heard over at AFR.


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« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2008, 12:05:11 AM »

The Vatican's: his mother was Eastern rite, and I believe his father Latin.  His father disowned him when he converted.  When he used to visit, someone in the parish would contact his mother so they could meet.  His father was reconciled with him some time after he became bishop of Chicago, before his father's death.

that's interesting because on the OCA website said he was baptized Episcopalian.  He also talked about having grown up an Episcopalian in his speech on the "Vision for the Future" I heard over at AFR.



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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2008, 12:44:00 AM »
He seems like a very exciting Metropolitan.  Congrats to all OCA members.  May he remain many years.
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2008, 09:21:04 AM »


Princess....ialmisry was referring to Vladyka Job....

Ahhh, I knew there had to be mix up somewhere - and it was me!  typical.   ::)

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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #84 on: November 15, 2008, 04:32:05 PM »
Tangent on why the OCA doesn't have a patriarch moved to Faith Issues and merged into this thread:  USA territory
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Re: New OCA Metropolitan: Bp Jonah
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2008, 11:50:56 PM »
Isn't that the parish who just lost their priest, Fr. Stephen Karaffa (memory eternal!)?  He passed away while attending the AAC.

Yes, it is one and the same - may Fr. Stephen's memory be eternal.