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Offline Saint Polycarp

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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2003, 10:50:14 AM »
So this example applies to the one were talking about?
Who did God send to the Orthodox Churches which changed their minds about contraception with the message that it was ok with God?
Your example dosn't fit the subject at all.

And again my real point is that the Orthodox (the true Church) don't speak with one voice on this and other subjects. How can the Church be the pillar and support of the truth yet teach opposing truths?
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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2003, 11:00:51 AM »
Saint Polycarp,

When the Churches were united, St. Cyprian received converts by baptism and Pope Stephen by confession.  They differed but in the end St. Cyprian said that all bishops have the right to exercise their authority in their sphere, and ultimately God will judge.  Sometimes, we just can't have uniform practice.  That does not mean we have a different faith or lack of teaching authority.

anastasios

Hi Anastasios,
There is a big difference from bishops having somewhat different practices and from various branches of the Church telling thier flock that something is sinfull in one area and that the same act isn't sin in another area. When that kind of situation arose in the past one bishop would confront the one teaching the error and try to work it out. If they couldn't it may be taken to several bishops or to a synod or even an ecumenical council for resolution. And in truth there were times when the question would go to the Pope for his opinion.
The (true) Church can't teach conflicting truths based on how a particular bishop or patrearch feels about it. This is what the protestants do.
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Polycarp
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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2003, 11:07:20 AM »
Well, since the scope of this thread has grown far beyond what I envisioned...

First, please note that I have never stated here, or anywhere, that I was asking for re-baptism, but for baptism.  That ought to tell you all you need to know about my views on the matter.

Second, as far as there being no substantial differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism:  please read Orthodoxy: Courage to be Different, Strength to Remain the Same by Fr. Mateja Matejic and see if you can honestly hold on to that opinion.  Or you can read anything by St. Justin Popovich.   I have deliberately not rocked the boat here or elsewhere, but I can honestly say I've had to re-learn Christianity as an Orthodox catechumen.  Before I left for Orthodoxy, I had a mild argument with my Eastern Catholic pastor.  He tried to hook me with the "does it really matter if you stay Catholic or become Orthodox- they're really the same".  I sank his battleship right there, saying, "The truth is out there.  You and I may disagree about where the truth is.  Catholicism and Orthodoxy are very different, and they can't both be the true Church.  Disagree, yes - interchangeability, no."

OK, now I've vented my spleen.  Oh, and by the way, I have found no moral waffling at my parish.



You vented nicely ::)
I would be happy to read the book. Where can I find it?
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Polycarp
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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2003, 11:25:14 AM »
Saint Polycarp,

With all due respect. Isn't the answer pretty apparent by now?


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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2003, 11:27:03 AM »
At the risk of prolonging or convoluting this discussion further, please review this page from the GOA:

http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7101.asp

Demetri
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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2003, 11:48:10 AM »
Saint Polycarp,

With all due respect. Isn't the answer pretty apparent by now?



yes Tom it is. :P
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Offline Saint Polycarp

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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2003, 11:52:18 AM »
At the risk of prolonging or convoluting this discussion further, please review this page from the GOA:

http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7101.asp

Demetri

Thanks for the url. I'm printing it out for study later.
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Polycarp
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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2003, 12:10:30 PM »
At the risk of prolonging or convoluting this discussion further, please review this page from the GOA:

http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7101.asp

Demetri

Thanks for the url. I'm printing it out for study later.
Peace,
Polycarp


I'm doing the same.
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Re:My Baptism
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2003, 12:17:27 PM »

Thanks for the url. I'm printing it out for study later.
Peace,
Polycarp

I really should have put that URL in the 'Contraception' thread; but it should help here as well. ::)

Demetri
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