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« on: October 24, 2008, 05:04:00 AM »

Study finds more U.S. Orthodox Christian converts

"A new study of Orthodox Christians in America has found a larger-than-expected number of converts, mostly from Roman Catholic and evangelical Protestant backgrounds..."
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 05:10:35 AM »

Very interesting.

Given the venue, USAToday, we might be reaching the edges of the public radar of awareness.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 12:11:26 PM »

Study finds more U.S. Orthodox Christian converts

"A new study of Orthodox Christians in America has found a larger-than-expected number of converts, mostly from Roman Catholic and evangelical Protestant backgrounds..."
This doesn't suprise me. As protestantism continues to fall into the opposing errors of fundamentalism and just outright heresy, Eastern Orthodoxy appears to be a much safer place that is anchored in the Tradition of the Apostles. As for the Catholic Church in America, we are in bad shape. Here in the united states, even thoguh we have the teachings of the Apostles, we are plauged by week bishops and liberal priests
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 12:14:08 PM »

The converts are balancing out the unchurched/dechurched.

Only 10% of Orthodox parishioniers are foreign born ... I don't buy that for a minute.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2008, 10:59:51 PM »

Thank you for sharing good news.

Very interesting.

Given the venue, USAToday, we might be reaching the edges of the public radar of awareness.

Agree.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 11:02:59 PM »

we are plauged by week bishops and liberal priests

And also a weak and liberal laity which compound the problem.  Very unfortunate for you.
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 12:03:44 AM »

we are plauged by week bishops and liberal priests

And also a weak and liberal laity which compound the problem.  Very unfortunate for you.

Well, we have similar problems as the Orthodox laity do in Orthodox countries like Greece. The way of Christ is a narrow path! There are 70 million Catholics in this country---a great many are nominal.

Before, we had a much more overtly Christian culture to lead people to regular practice of the faith. Now that is gone.

The future of the Catholic Church in America is smaller in numerical size but more committed and orthodox.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 12:30:52 AM »

The converts are balancing out the unchurched/dechurched.

Only 10% of Orthodox parishioniers are foreign born ... I don't buy that for a minute.
My understanding is the study was limited to GOA and OCA parishes in the west coast. The majority of Greek and Eastern European immigration occurred nearly 100 years ago so this statistic makes perfect sense. The Greek community also has been a very closed community to such an extent that there are many people, while born in America, are actually ESL (English as a Second Language) and thus give the appearance that they are foreign born. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2008, 01:00:40 AM »

My understanding is the study was limited to GOA and OCA parishes in the west coast.

Under those conditions, I believe that less than 10% of Orthodox are foreign born.

The majority of Greek and Eastern European immigration occurred nearly 100 years ago so this statistic makes perfect sense. The Greek community also has been a very closed community to such an extent that there are many people, while born in America, are actually ESL (English as a Second Language) and thus give the appearance that they are foreign born.

In my Church alone, I can count the number of foreign born on both hands.  In the larger ethnic enclaves where Greek immigrants came as recently as 35-45 years ago (albeit in small numbers), the numbers are likely 20% foreign born.  Regardless, the percentage of foreign born Orthodox is rapidly declining.   Sad
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 01:07:07 AM »

The number of foreign born Orthodox in the greek church in my dioceses  is about 90%
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 01:20:37 AM »

The number of foreign born Orthodox in the greek church in my dioceses  is about 90%
You are in Australia so your immigration patterns are complete different that what is being discussed here.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2008, 01:38:22 AM »

AFAIK, Greeks (and others, Serbs, Russians, et al.) enter Australia as if there was a river from their countries to Oz.

If 90% of the Dioceses hail from Greece (or elsewhere), that was the setting 100 years ago except that the ethnicies marry each other and not the Australians.  I would bet interfaith marriage rates between ethnic Orthodox and Australians at less than 25%?
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2008, 08:18:40 AM »

AFAIK, Greeks (and others, Serbs, Russians, et al.) enter Australia as if there was a river from their countries to Oz.

If 90% of the Dioceses hail from Greece (or elsewhere), that was the setting 100 years ago except that the ethnicies marry each other and not the Australians.  I would bet interfaith marriage rates between ethnic Orthodox and Australians at less than 25%?
That would be completely different than here in the states.  Intermarriage is half or more.  Part of the difference might just be size: Australia's lower population concentrated in a smaller area makes it easier to maintain the enclaves.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2008, 01:06:18 PM »

I receive the weekly newsletter from Christian History. There is a list of this week's most read articles. Number 2 is "Orthodoxy, explained" and number 3 is "Ask the expert: Eastern Orthodox Christians". This isn't very scientific, but does illustrate the interest in Orthodoxy by evangelicals.

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2008, 02:27:53 PM »

The fact that the majority of clergy and laity in the OCA are converts is not surprising (probably not to anyone here). Comforting, actually.
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 10:06:37 PM »

Even among foreign-born clergy of UOC-USA there are some converts. Former Catholics, former agnostics.
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 11:34:33 PM »

I receive the weekly newsletter from Christian History. There is a list of this week's most read articles. Number 2 is "Orthodoxy, explained" and number 3 is "Ask the expert: Eastern Orthodox Christians". This isn't very scientific, but does illustrate the interest in Orthodoxy by evangelicals.

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That's very interesting!  Are there copies of these articles online?
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2008, 08:56:24 AM »

It is interesting to note that the Antiochian parishes were not surveyed, the ratio of converts would have gone up further if my  observations of other Antiiochian parishes is any example.

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2008, 02:39:45 PM »

Who knows - we may become well known enough to be considered a fringe group!  Cheesy
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 04:03:51 PM »

I receive the weekly newsletter from Christian History. There is a list of this week's most read articles. Number 2 is "Orthodoxy, explained" and number 3 is "Ask the expert: Eastern Orthodox Christians". This isn't very scientific, but does illustrate the interest in Orthodoxy by evangelicals.

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2008, 08:09:53 PM »

Is this it?

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2008, 08:14:21 PM »


Yes, that's the one.
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