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« on: October 18, 2008, 07:17:30 AM »

Ok, I understand why enjoyment of watching Freddy Krueger and Jason movies are sinful because of the focus on pain, blood, wanton sexuality, etc., but what about watching old time horror movies that don't put a lot of focus on these elements, like Dracula (1931) and Nosferatu (1929), etc.? Is it just as bad? Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 08:49:14 AM »

Ok, I understand why enjoyment of watching Freddy Krueger and Jason movies are sinful because of the focus on pain, blood, wanton sexuality, etc., but what about watching old time horror movies that don't put a lot of focus on these elements, like Dracula (1931) and Nosferatu (1929), etc.? Is it just as bad? Thanks!

Definitely not just as bad, if for no other reason that in Dracula and Nosferatu good triumphs over evil.  In Jason and Freddie, evil perpetually renews itself.

Btw, the original ones of both were fairly good, in that they had some thought in the plot (not as good as the thinking that went into "Candyman" but good enough).  They just degenerated further as they pandered to the basest in the audience over and over, and over....

Btw. "Indecent Proposal" was a good, in the sense of moral, movie, despite the title would suggest: how the plot develops redeemed it.  Of course, Demi Moore missed that (she said that she would do what her character did, for the reason she did, not thinking of how the character looked back at it).
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 09:36:24 AM »

Many of the modern movies have a moral that Death is actually the victor. Since we all die in the end, Death therefore owns all of our souls; it's just a matter of time. This is Greek paganism, the cult of Hades. We know that death is not the end, and that Death has no victory, for we will be resurrected. Because of this, I find films which glorify death to be depressing. I really haven't seen any of them since shortly after becoming Orthodox. I used to be a real fan of films like Blade and Interview with a Vampire, but I've just lost interest.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 12:09:07 PM »

I very much enjoy cheesy 80's/90's horror films, and some more serious horror-comedies (Evil Dead 2, Return of the Living Dead, etc.) I don't think it's sinful to watch such movies. Questionable taste, yes, but not sinful. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 01:42:31 PM »

I thought Interview with a Vampire was just depressing and evil....and this was when I in my teens.  It was just disturbing to me.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 08:20:43 PM »

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Now this is something I whole heartedly concur with...so lets attempt to answer the subject question according or in accord with St. John Damascus...you want to begin, or should I?
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 08:34:47 PM »

We proclaim Him also by our senses on all sides, and we sanctify the noblest sense, which is that of sight. The image is a memorial, just what words are to a listening ear. What a book is to the literate, that an image is to the illiterate. The image speaks to the sight as words to the ear; it brings us understanding. Hence God ordered the ark to be made of imperishable wood, and to be gilded outside and in, and the tablets to be put in it, and the staff and the golden urn containing the manna, for a remembrance of the past and a type of the future. Who can say these were not images and far-sounding heralds? And they did not hang on the walls of the tabernacle; but in sight of all the people who looked towards them, they were brought forward for the worship and adoration of God, who made use of them. It is evident that they were not worshipped for themselves, but that the people were led through them to remember past signs, and to worship the God of wonders. They were images to serve as recollections, not divine, but leading to divine things by divine power.

We proclaim Him also by our senses on all sides, and we sanctify the noblest sense, which is that of sight. The image is a memorial, just what words are to a listening ear. What a book is to the literate, that an image is to the illiterate. The image speaks to the sight as words to the ear; it brings us understanding. Hence God ordered the ark to be made of imperishable wood, and to be gilded outside and in, and the tablets to be put in it, and the staff and the golden urn containing the manna, for a remembrance of the past and a type of the future. Who can say these were not images and far-sounding heralds? And they did not hang on the walls of the tabernacle; but in sight of all the people who looked towards them, they were brought forward for the worship and adoration of God, who made use of them. It is evident that they were not worshipped for themselves, but that the people were led through them to remember past signs, and to worship the God of wonders. They were images to serve as recollections, not divine, but leading to divine things by divine power.

From APOLOGIA OF ST JOHN DAMASCENE AGAINST
THOSE WHO DECRY HOLY IMAGES.

Note that St. John identifies our sight as "the noblest sense," so it seems that the question as asked must be answered from this starting point...for what purpose did God give us eyes?

Secondly, St. John says: "The image is a memorial,"  who was it that said, "Garbage in, garbage out."?

Thirdly, St. John says: "The image speaks to the sight as words to the ear..."  Who was it that asked, "How shall the believe if they have not heard and how shall they hear without someone sent to preach.." [not meant as an [precise quotation]?

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 10:04:01 PM »

For me, horror films are just too dang scary.  I'm not sure if it would be considered evil to watch but I have a vivid imagination and on several occasions I've gotten myself worked up enough just recalling horrific images that I ended up sleeping with the lights on or waking up Mr. Y to reassure me.  Exposing yourself to that kind of fear or allowing fear to grip you might not be spiritually healthy.  For the sake of my own sanity, I don't watch horror any more.  (Though I do enjoy reading H.P. Lovecraft and Stephen King... I guess I'm a sucker for punishment.)
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2008, 10:05:40 PM »

I meant Nosferatu (1921), not 1929... Smiley

I know what you mean, E. I had plenty of nightmares from 28 Days Later.... Shocked
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